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paalexan
at Mon Aug 11 23:12:29 2003 [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by paalexan ]
`The whole group (minus the Lampropeltini and Senticolis) is Elaphe.'
There's also Rhinechis, Oocatochus, and Coronella. Rhinechis and Oocatochus being splits made by Helfenberger--I'd guess offhand that you disapprove of them, but I don't recall you mentioning it.
` The group is not polyphyletic; Elaphe is not polyphyletic.'
I await new data suggesting that this is the case.
`These authors are obviously wrong.'
That's one hell of a conclusion to jump to. Have you read the papers in question?
`Utiger et al. show that all species they study form a clade.'
No, they don't. See my other post in this thread for today.
`Besides, Utiger et al. fail to cite Lopez and Maxson (1995), who show that Old World Elaphe and New World Elaphe form a clade with the Lampropeltini.'
Well, so far it seems the non-Utiger papers are 4 to 1 in favor of Elaphe having been polyphyletic. Until I've either read the papers in question or have some other good reason to choose between them, I think I have to stick with the democratic result.
Patrick Alexander
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- Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Tue Aug 5 15:20:38 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - paalexan, Fri Aug 8 19:48:08 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Sat Aug 9 18:35:21 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Sun Aug 10 12:09:44 2003

- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - paalexan, Sun Aug 10 14:45:35 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - paalexan, Mon Aug 11 06:46:54 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Mon Aug 11 13:03:04 2003

- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Mon Aug 11 18:39:41 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - paalexan, Mon Aug 11 23:10:39 2003
RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - paalexan, Mon Aug 11 23:12:29 2003
- Sorry about the double post. No changes in content between them. ~NP~ - paalexan, Mon Aug 11 23:13:57 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - paalexan, Tue Aug 12 00:36:58 2003

- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Tue Aug 12 05:19:31 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Tue Aug 12 05:32:50 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Tue Aug 12 11:48:08 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - paalexan, Tue Aug 12 18:10:16 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - paalexan, Tue Aug 12 18:25:24 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Wed Aug 13 01:12:02 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Wed Aug 13 01:54:51 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Wed Aug 13 02:09:40 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - paalexan, Wed Aug 13 08:59:13 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - paalexan, Wed Aug 13 09:14:49 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Wed Aug 13 21:35:06 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Wed Aug 13 22:00:23 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - paalexan, Wed Aug 13 22:17:50 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Wed Aug 13 22:21:06 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - paalexan, Wed Aug 13 22:40:01 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - paalexan, Wed Aug 13 22:53:13 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - paalexan, Wed Aug 13 23:36:35 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Thu Aug 14 13:48:59 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Thu Aug 14 14:14:15 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - paalexan, Thu Aug 14 14:37:05 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - paalexan, Thu Aug 14 14:52:04 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - paalexan, Thu Aug 14 14:53:36 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Sun Aug 17 02:43:22 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Sun Aug 17 05:22:14 2003

- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - paalexan, Sun Aug 17 22:56:37 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - paalexan, Sun Aug 17 23:24:09 2003
- BTW... - paalexan, Mon Aug 18 11:14:35 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Sun Sep 21 09:48:50 2003

- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Sun Sep 21 11:34:01 2003

- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Sun Sep 21 12:14:10 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Sun Sep 21 13:41:40 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Mon Sep 22 19:46:48 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Thu Sep 25 19:33:57 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - paalexan, Sat Sep 27 16:08:57 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - paalexan, Sun Sep 28 03:19:10 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - paalexan, Sun Sep 28 03:22:40 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Sun Sep 28 18:29:39 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - paalexan, Sun Sep 28 22:02:37 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Sun Oct 5 02:11:40 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - paalexan, Sun Oct 5 03:54:01 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Sun Oct 5 09:50:27 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Mon Dec 22 10:07:23 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Mon Dec 22 10:25:05 2003
- RE: Elaphe is not polyphyletic - RSNewton, Mon Dec 22 10:42:55 2003
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