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FR
at Sun Oct 1 10:56:35 2006 [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by FR ]
I don't disagree with your comment about heat and digestion. But the problem is, iggie folks for the most part, do not understand what heat is. You somehow think air temps and reptiles are important, So you offer air temps.
While air temps and mass temps have a relationship, Its in fact a very loose relationship.
Yesterday and Today I am at a local reptile show. So I get to talk to thousands of people. People from around here where its hot. If you ask them what the surface temps of the ground are comparable to air temps, most are totally lost, and that includes many academics, biologists, and game and fish folks.
Say, the air temp is 100F what is the corresponding surface temps and mass temps? Most add a few degrees, in fact here the surface temps range in the sun range from, 110F to over 150F. Now compare that too say an air temp of 40F, what would the corresponding surface temps be? Of course you would guess, something like 65F or a little more. The reality is, and sir, its a reality, as I get to check these very very often. The surface temps range for the 40's F to 144F. Yes, even with a sixty degree difference in air temps.
Whats important about this is, REPTILES DO NOT UNDERSTAND AIR TEMPS, they understand surface temps, mass temps and their relationship to bright lite.
Don't be fooled, the bright lite is only important in allowing the reptiles to find surface and mass heat. If the temps in bright lite are not suitable, they look elsewhere.
How it effects you iggie folks and your misguided MK, reptiles seek temps far above their actual needs, They try to bask as short a time as possible(inherent dangers of being in the open) They then perfer to maintain their body temps under cover of hard and soft materials, I.E. shade, bark, rock, earth, etc.
That you seem to think lizards are suppose to bask their entire active period, is a gross misunderstanding of reptile behavior and function.
The problem is so very easy to solve, all you have to understand is, reptiles do not carry around any sort of thermostat, they do carry around needs that "have" to be fullfilled. All you have to do is, offer high or low for that matter, until they do not use them at ALL, not rarely, as some needs are more rare then others. The reality is, ITS SO DARN EASY TO DO.
Your UV bulb approach is what I call a bandaid approach. You only fixing problems, without fixing the cause. IF you allow them to attain the heat they need, in THE MANNER THEY UNDERSTAND, you would have no need for UV bulbs.
BUT most humans, would rather do something complicated and dangerous to the animal, and has shown no long term success. Instead of actually understanding the animals you say you love. MAN I would hate to be loved by you folks.
SIR, its not something to brag about to keep a reptile alive in captivity, WE as humans should have no problem with that, we can put a man on the moon, or a hanger in south texas, but cannot keep simple reptiles alive. Wow, how sad is that.
I would think you folks would advance a little past stopping them from dying and on to, allowing normal life functions, Cheers
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- Importance of Lighting for lizards - markll, Tue Sep 26 13:46:45 2006
- Some pictures of light intensity. - SHvar, Wed Sep 27 10:37:31 2006
- RE: Wow - FR, Wed Sep 27 10:48:33 2006
- RE: Importance of Lighting for lizards - chris_harper2, Wed Sep 27 11:35:51 2006
- RE: While I agree(again) - FR, Wed Sep 27 12:05:01 2006
- RE: Importance of Lighting for lizards - jobi, Wed Sep 27 12:49:19 2006
- Bottom heat with a flourescent above - markll, Wed Sep 27 13:30:46 2006
- RE: Bottom heat with a flourescent above - -ryan-, Wed Sep 27 21:49:04 2006
- RE: Importance of Lighting for lizards - Paradon, Wed Sep 27 22:36:16 2006
- Iguanas? - holygouda, Thu Sep 28 01:14:12 2006
- RE: Iguanas? - holygouda, Thu Sep 28 01:39:53 2006
- RE: Sorry to offend you, but - FR, Thu Sep 28 09:58:06 2006
- The studies Ive read and the iguanas Ive - SHvar, Thu Sep 28 10:29:31 2006
- Great point, like those kept in sceen . - SHvar, Thu Sep 28 10:34:23 2006
- RE: Sorry to offend you, but - holygouda, Thu Sep 28 10:56:14 2006
- RE: The studies Ive read and the iguanas - holygouda, Thu Sep 28 11:00:41 2006
- RE: Its not about raising temps. - FR, Thu Sep 28 14:22:49 2006
- RE: The studies Ive read and the iguanas - -ryan-, Thu Sep 28 18:28:02 2006
- RE: The studies Ive read and the iguanas - holygouda, Thu Sep 28 21:50:36 2006
- RE: Its not about raising temps. - holygouda, Fri Sep 29 00:42:54 2006
- Ah.... - -ryan-, Fri Sep 29 06:54:18 2006
- RE: I am sorry for having to be so - FR, Fri Sep 29 09:21:07 2006
- RE: This post should be in highlights… - jobi, Fri Sep 29 10:45:10 2006

- RE: One more point to confuse you - FR, Fri Sep 29 13:33:33 2006
- RE: I am sorry for having to be so - Paradon, Fri Sep 29 16:16:29 2006
- RE: Wow - jkuroski, Fri Sep 29 16:44:53 2006
- RE: I am sorry for having to be so - jobi, Fri Sep 29 16:54:16 2006
- It's funny.... - -ryan-, Fri Sep 29 17:00:24 2006
- RE: I am sorry for having to be so - Paradon, Fri Sep 29 18:41:34 2006
- RE: I am sorry for having to be so - jobi, Fri Sep 29 19:56:23 2006
- RE: I am sorry for having to be so - Paradon, Fri Sep 29 23:09:57 2006
- RE: It's funny.... - Paradon, Fri Sep 29 23:18:21 2006
- RE: It's funny.... - Paradon, Fri Sep 29 23:30:16 2006
- RE: It's funny.... - sungazer, Sat Sep 30 00:16:41 2006
- RE: It's funny.... - Paradon, Sat Sep 30 00:37:43 2006
- RE: It's funny.... - sungazer, Sat Sep 30 00:45:55 2006
- You're funny.... - holygouda, Sat Sep 30 01:09:04 2006
- RE: This post should be in highlights… - yvonbug, Sat Sep 30 01:29:30 2006
- RE: I am sorry for having to be so - chuck911jeep, Sat Sep 30 09:00:27 2006
- RE: It's funny.... - chuck911jeep, Sat Sep 30 09:48:38 2006
- I agree.....in fact.... - -ryan-, Sat Sep 30 10:11:18 2006
- RE: You're funny.... - Paradon, Sat Sep 30 12:48:00 2006
- little story - krazydbiker, Sat Sep 30 13:04:33 2006
- RE: You're funny.... - jobi, Sat Sep 30 13:46:03 2006

- RE: little story - -ryan-, Sat Sep 30 20:31:52 2006
RE: I am sorry for having to be so - FR, Sun Oct 1 10:56:35 2006
- RE: I am sorry for having to be so - Paradon, Sun Oct 1 19:54:03 2006
- RE: I am sorry for having to be so - -ryan-, Sun Oct 1 20:51:55 2006
- RE: I am sorry for having to be so - Paradon, Sun Oct 1 21:34:26 2006
- RE: I am sorry for having to be so - -ryan-, Sun Oct 1 22:39:15 2006
- RE: I am sorry for having to be so - Paradon, Sun Oct 1 23:37:23 2006
- RE: It really makes sense now - FR, Mon Oct 2 09:46:19 2006
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