to say that kinked caramels is directly linked to inbreeding is crazy and spiders have been sooooo outcrossed if the bobble-head trait was inherited seperately it would be gone by now. Why do I say this? First with caramels, there has been several brought in from africa over the last few years. When bred all lines have been shown to have the possiblility to produce kinks. outcrossing with other lines has shown to decrease the amount of kinks that show up but not eliminate them. If inbreeding is what causes the kinks to appear how did every caramel that came from AFRICA carry the same trait if it is not directly linked to the caramel trait. The same principal goes for spiders. When we were looking to buy our spider we loooked HARD for a spider that didn't show the wobbling trait but with very little success (one animal didn't but it was ugly). Some of the spiders were described as not being wobblers but after seeing them in person all of them did (some so minor it took several minutes of constant staring to notice a small shake). Spiders grow out of the wobble if they have a minor one as hatchlings and the ones that are bad wobblers still eat, breed and thrive in captivity so what is the problem with them?
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons:::

1.0 striped vanilla
1.0 spider
1.2 Citrus Ghost and hets
1.2 Albino and hets
2.3 het Pied
0.6 50% poss het pied
1.1 Pastel (male has additional gene going on with him)
a bunch of normal female breeders
a bunch of normal female holdbacks and several rescued normal males

0.1 columbian boa, she's a feeding monster, controls my
over production of rats, lol
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa, another rat eating monster
1.1 corns


a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

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• Inbreeding? - Dragonflychaser, Wed Dec 6 21:54:37 2006
• RE: Inbreeding? - HappyHillbilly, Thu Dec 7 00:35:26 2006
• RE: Inbreeding? - idealreptiles, Thu Dec 7 00:48:17 2006
• RE: Inbreeding? - Herpout, Thu Dec 7 01:18:48 2006
• RE: Inbreeding? - joshhutto, Thu Dec 7 11:33:28 2006
• RE: Inbreeding? - Dragonflychaser, Thu Dec 7 12:26:28 2006
• re: bobble-heads - idealreptiles, Thu Dec 7 14:10:47 2006
• re: bobble-heads - blowitch, Thu Dec 7 14:37:32 2006
• cat - idealreptiles, Thu Dec 7 15:23:30 2006
• RE: cat - Dragonflychaser, Thu Dec 7 18:54:35 2006
• re: bobble-heads - joshhutto, Thu Dec 7 17:02:07 2006
• re: bobble-heads LOL!!!! - idealreptiles, Fri Dec 8 00:29:02 2006
• re: bobble-heads LOL!!!! - Herpout, Fri Dec 8 02:10:31 2006
• Inbreeding does not = worsened condition - Mahlon, Fri Dec 8 14:50:50 2006
• Humans have been around for 10,000 yrs?? - rwoodyer, Fri Dec 8 12:15:01 2006
• RE: Humans have been around for 10,000 yrs?? - Dragonflychaser, Fri Dec 8 14:20:00 2006
• RE: Humans have been around for 10,000 y - rwoodyer, Sun Dec 10 23:46:16 2006
• It all just depends.... - -ryan-, Thu Dec 7 11:43:52 2006
• Actually, you have a few misconceptions. - Mahlon, Thu Dec 7 11:53:06 2006
• RE: Actually, you have a few misconceptions. - Dragonflychaser, Thu Dec 7 12:31:12 2006
• RE: Actually, you have a few misconceptions. - Mahlon, Thu Dec 7 12:58:23 2006
• RE: Actually, you have a few misconceptions. - coldthumb, Thu Dec 7 14:36:05 2006
• RE: Actually, you have a few misconceptions. - Dragonflychaser, Thu Dec 7 18:50:37 2006
• artwork - Dragonflychaser, Thu Dec 7 18:50:18 2006
• Clarification - HappyHillbilly, Thu Dec 7 14:40:39 2006
• RE: Clarification - jyohe, Thu Dec 7 17:19:09 2006