I also think that first one looks like a circleback laddertail. Most arabesques that I've seen have a lot of freckling on the sides and much thinner saddles. I have no idea what that second one is

Amie

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• Arabesque or Ladder tail - EvoMorphs, Mon Mar 26 12:08:57 2007
• RE: Arabesque or Ladder tail - SenorSnake, Mon Mar 26 12:29:30 2007
• RE: Arabesque or Ladder tail - amiemac9, Mon Mar 26 12:38:04 2007
• RE: Arabesque or Ladder tail - ChrisGilbert, Mon Mar 26 12:38:59 2007
• Thanks for the help N/P - EvoMorphs, Mon Mar 26 13:31:14 2007
• The last one looks like a cross.... - BoidaeAddiction, Mon Mar 26 16:35:57 2007
• Should have... - BoidaeAddiction, Tue Mar 27 01:45:02 2007