Your type of post is reason people think this product is needed. There are always people like you that use every sorry analogy to confuse the issue.

Heres the point and its a very real long time point. I produced lots(see many other posts) They live and grow normally, they do "not" get UV bulbs of any type. My animals and results are the "cutting edge of success"(in print many years ago and still true) that is, I have been as consistantly successful as good or better then any person or institition, in the world. Again, I have never used UV bulbs. That is proof sir. And it "is" that simple.

To measure results one must have goals and results. Monitors must reach goals in order to measure a products worth, or the word "needed". in most cases the need is for the person, not the animalI have an overwelming abundance of results in growth, reproduction and longevity. I have such an abundance of results, these same academics say my results exceed nature. As in, they grow faster, produce more and live longer. Again sir, that is proof.

So I ask a very obvious question, why do others need UVB bulbs in order to attempt to simply keep an individual alive??? Sir, that is a better question. These folks that need UVB bulbs do not have results in growth, reproduction or longevity. Those academics( not scientists) never produced results, they simply took DEPLETED individuals and gave them UVB bulbs and suppliments and measured blood levels, both before and after, BUT NEVER ACHIEVED any actual goals like keeping the monitors for any lenght of time. Muchless growth, reproduction and longevity. They did not and were not growing or reproducing or kept for any lenght of time. They just played silly games, and on you.

And to jump the gun a bit, don't give me that, at the zoo we bred so and so, and we used those bulbs. That proves nothing. Did you try regular bulbs on keep all other conditions the same with those SUCCESSFUL animals??? If not, then you learned nothing. You simply used Bulb A and not tried bulb B, or C.

No offense, but I started with one type of bulb, then switched to another, then another. But as long as I kept the conditions, actual temp range etc the same, the animals performed the same. ITs not the bulbs.

Even if you were not going to say that, someone would.

Here the ACTUAL point. I can successfully Keep monitors alive and healthy with;

1. with halogen bulbs

2. with incandesent bulbs

3. with the sun

4. with Uvb bulbs

5. with no bulbs what so ever.

6. with no added heat what so ever.

7. with florescent bulbs.

So what does using UVB bulbs have to do with anything? the answer is nothing.

Also I could careless is companies make money off these bulbs. Companies are suppose to make money and provide a service. The point here is, they are NOT providing a service.

Again, a static individual montior, what most people have and what was tested, has very very very little need for calicum. When compared to, growing monitors or reproducing monitors. Those two groups are in heavy need of actual placed calicum. Of course, young growing, producing females are THE test for calicum placement.

So to test or base information of the least possible use of a product, is just awful and stupid. Sorry but after all these years, it is just stupid. This is simply a case of mass advertising overwelming facts. Which is common by the way.

Lets move to another thread, In the threat below, Jobis right. Unless these is some controls there will be no fix to all the imports dying. These controls need to be placed on the advertising companies, and promoters of useless products, not the importers. These stupid people are actively killing off tens of thousands of reptiles to sell product.

If these imports lived in any percentage above 10% muchless above 50% this country would be so overwelmed with savs and niles and waters, that there would never be a need to collect another individual of those species. And that includes for hides and meat. If they actually bred and produced offspring, the U.S. could reestablish all of africa with monitors.

The point is, imports must be disposable or they will lose market. Its like making a car the commonly lasts a million miles. If they made them and they could, there were be little need to make so many. Do the math, auto makers would sell five times less(or more). Thats not what they want. Same goes for imports and the companies that follow them. If their products worked, imports would quickly dwindle to near nothing, no need for controls there.

What needs controls is the companies doing mass advertising about products and methods that DO NOT WORK. Or provide a service.

But remember, be careful what you ask for, if there were controls and these companies had to actually prove their products provided a service(something beneficial) then the magazines would disappear, this site would disappear, many of the big reptile shows would disappear.

So as it is, we have it very nice, we are comfortable, the problem is, the animals, those poor imports and wild caughts are going to have to keep dying in droves, for us to be happey. Cheers

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