"really am kind of sorry I even brought this up. This forum is the one that all others should be measured by in my opinion...excellent photos, open discussion of bloodlines, very little animosity/arguments and a "family" like feel to it, everyone congratulating everyone else and such...just a great place to visit. I certainly didn't mean to muddy things up by bringing up this stuff (although I guess from some of the comments, it's been discussed before?)"

I disagree, I think actual discussions are the best, I love seeing all the great animals, but I would rather read inteligent debate and expression of ideas any day, even if the ideas are Jeff's

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