are you trying so hard to disprove this line? I can tell you right now my VPI t pos looks exactly like the one in the pix that Gabor posted. The one with the head shot and purple tongue is a dead ringer for mine. If you look close in the picture the head markings are a brownish color which looks just like mine also. Now I know the one's Zenzinias posted with all the color do not look like a t pos from the pictures but we can't see them in person. Kinda like when jungles first came out and people would show litter pix. A LOT of people replied and asked how can you tell they're jungles I don't see a difference? The breeders big and small would reply, "if you had them right in front of you, you'd have no problem picking them out but you can't tell from the pix". I have seen litter pix from this line and you can definitely tell the difference in the visuals and the normals. At the same time they weren't as refined as zenzinias with all that color.

Your example of dm's pix of Larry K.'s pastels. I can see where you were going but they do not have the gray trim in the tail saddles like baby t's do. If you look at the tail pix zenzs posted you can see the gray outline in one of the tails. They do grow out of that and the red eyes. My t+ had the gray as a baby and you could kinda tell the eyes were red but can't really anymore. Like I said below, Linda H. has a couple t pos from Tracy and she'll even tell you hers don't have red eyes so are mine and hers not t pos??? Like you I have nothing to gain from defending the line as I don't have one but I do know that if the VPI line are considered t pos and the boawoman hypo/carmels and the "PRODIGY" then the line zenzs and others in the UK I know who have them are also.

I think the main problem is the fact they have so much color that it hides some of the obvious t pos traits. If it were one with less color like the one's Gabor posted then it would be more obvious. TRUST ME!LoL

As far as the Zig Zag name goes. From the pix i've seen of this line, a lot of the animals hets and visuals have some degree of tail striping or abberant patterns. Which over in the UK/Europe etc. they call it Zig Zags. Us in the states use different names like Abberant,striping etc.. Two different continents two different ways to describe abberant patterns. Same with the tongue colors, to us it looks purple to them pink.

I still love you Michael(in a boa friends way!)and now that you live in So.Cal. i'm sure we'll meet at the Anaheim show so I can talk you out of your DH Sharp female over some beers! So, please don't take offense for me trying to defend the UK. line of T pos. and again I HAVE NOTHING TO GAIN IN DEFENDING THEM cause I don't have one.....YET!!!!


Ruben Michel

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• Zenzinia...Blonde Albino questions...... - michaelburton, Tue Jun 19 12:48:03 2007
• Some pic's from Gabor... - michaelburton, Tue Jun 19 14:18:55 2007
• Dude..Michael, whats your beef and why.. - Ruben14, Tue Jun 19 15:15:02 2007
• RE: Dude..Michael, whats your beef and why.. - Randall_Turner, Tue Jun 19 15:20:02 2007
• No Beef at all... - michaelburton, Tue Jun 19 16:39:49 2007
• Hey Michael...Call me and all questions, - Ruben14, Tue Jun 19 16:54:49 2007
• Pictures... - Gabor, Tue Jun 19 17:07:40 2007
• RE: Pictures... - edkim, Tue Jun 19 18:27:31 2007
• RE: Pictures... - michaelburton, Tue Jun 19 18:31:09 2007
• RE: Pictures... - Gabor, Wed Jun 20 05:46:27 2007
• RE: Pictures... - Marc_N, Thu Jun 21 08:10:46 2007
• Awesome adult t pos! I think sense I ... - Ruben14, Tue Jun 19 18:47:23 2007