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FR
at Sun Aug 12 12:55:50 2007 [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by FR ]
I did not read that until today. So I want to add to that and bring it up to the top.
So you are saying, All zoos are good or reputable(as you say)?
Also, However right or wrong you think Jobi's experiences are, they are his to say, that is what a forum is for. He and others(me) are entitled to our opinions. Of course you can debate how valid they are.
It does bother me that you, as a zoo person, think you have to defend all zoos, as so many zoo folks do. When zoos are just like us. Some are good, some are great and some are peawater poor. And all that is, temporary and often a case of timing. AND, its often about point of view. A zoo may be considered good, if its successful in an area that the ONE PERSON, has an interest. So I would think, your approach would be to ask, what kind of zoo did his experience come from. And in what area as well as whats your point of view. Considering, there are, Good ones, bad ones, etc.
You see, its always about point of view. To make it personal. I as a private keeper, I produce more captive breedings a year then all the zoos put together. Not bragging, just something to compare too. Now more to the point, I have no employees, and no funding. If you take your lone zoo or even the texas zoos. Then compare all those employees, all those man hours, and available resources(equipment etc) well, I "have" to think zoos SUCK(and entitled personal opinion, based on comparison).
I have to ask, don't you care about the animals? I mean, you hire keepers to care for them on a daily basis. Each and every day of the year, there is paid help. And you have guidence. You have volunteers, you have paid keepers, lead keepers, head keepers, assist. curators, and curators, at each and every zoo.
So you have workers, and those that tell the workers what to do, and those that tell them what to do and you have those that go to meetings, because they know whats suppose to be done. Yet, you cannot seem to put one foot in front of the other(by comparison). In the area of varanids, you folks are followers not leaders(which you have wrongly lead us, the public, to believe). With that in mind, why shouldn't we have an attitude?
As an example. we have talked to you, then you respond with many other zoos experiences, then take it personal. odd.
I know, I know, your going to say, all this and that about what your suppose to be doing and all the rules and restrictions, etc. But sir, that is the very point. Zoos have lost the ability to be efficient. You've lost site of your actual task. You have lost site of your goals. Your a beauracy(sp) feeding upon itself. And you know that. And thats each individual zoo, and its led by another, AZA.
Sir, does handcuffed have any meaning to you? And you were wondering why the good ones leave.
No offense but you and your staff, spend approx. 85% of your work effort dealing with eachother. Another 10% dealing with other organizations, which leaves very little time to do anything but feed and a change of water. I am actually amazed you get anything done, to be truthful.
To make it even worse, If each person has the ability of 100% applied effort, the first 60% is the most creative and efficient, then it wanes quickly to an effort of, lets just get it done. That sixty percent is often lost on you dealing with your own rules and eachother. Whatever is left, the poor effort(not so efficent) is whats left for the animals.
So yes, I am amazed that you folks get anything done. Also you understand, my feelings are not against individual people. Not at all, its against the system. It has lost the ability to take advantage of its very best resource, Exceptional passionate people. Who will work until their hearts explode. To me, that is so very sad.
Its kinda like the reptiles. Instead of letting those do what they are good at doing, there are parasites at each and every level sucking the energy out of them. As experienced keepers, We know how to fix the reptiles, kill off the parasites. And/Or support the individual reptiles to a point they can kill off the parasites themselves. My feeling is, you know this, but have no ability to kill of the parasites that stop the progress of zoos and keepers.
Yes, yes, I know, You will say thats partly true, and yes it is, only a major part true. I admit, there are temporary lapses where a superior individual can apply his talents for a short period of time. But the system will take care of that(history as shown).
So forgive us if we, Jobi and I, we often have a dim view of zoos in general. But if you compare your success to ours, dude, you really really really suck. Remember, we are talking about the area of this forum, varanids. Not panda bears. That would be on another forum. Truthfully and factually, zoos are very very poor. Considering your resources and your abilities and YOUR NUMBERS.
Remember, this is a person to person, conversation. Its Jobis abilities and my abilities and our results weighted against thousands of individuals working at zoos and with the support of academics, around the world. hmmmmmmmm it truely sounds unfair doesn't it. An army verses two, yet, the score is overwelmingly lopsided in our favor. If it were me, I would look into what stops you, and not challange us or our attitudes.
If you(zoos) were a real entity, you would hire headhunters to acquire you some real workers(herpers), instead of hiring those that only do what their told. Thats what the old dallas did. Then isolate and protect them from the system. Which will allow success for the animals. Cheers
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