A few things I'd like to point out. Where to start?



First FR - it's in poor taste to post names and move discussions w/ people calling them out just because that person decided to ignore the babble on the other forum. (jburokas = Krusty for the record everyone). If i wanted to discuss it any further, i would have. It got lengthy and your posts meander through so much non-topic fodder that i just couldn't deal with it any longer. The smoke was getting to my eyes. Me and my lizards are fine and i've got better things to do.



Then you decide to use the analogy that you're a sophmore in college and i'm a preschooler in a half-baked attempt to discredit me publicly. Yeah,....it's all about the monitors. My posts seem to have gotten under your skin if you feel you have to name-call and such. Notice I NEVER do that.



In 4 short years of keeping i've hatched monitor eggs (the first fertile clutch i ever had, too) and have received multiple clutches and such since you are so focused on "how many have you bred?" being your argument when you get painted into a corner (repeatedly) stating things like "too much supplementing will cause gout" (protein/purine problem unrelated to calcium, hmmmm) , "monitors don't have hemibacula...that's from dehydration" and "calcium levels in the blood are huey" (yet you then proclaim going to the vet is good when there is a problem). You're not interested in what's wrong if someone needs a vet? What a shame. That's a wealth of additional information you turn away from.



For the 100th time, i don't have these problems, never had. But i can understand them and explain them normally. This stuf is rudimentary (sorry sophmore...'easy') to diagnose, man. WTF do you think the vets are doing when a lizard shows textbook MBD symptoms? They inquire how the lizard is kept. What it's fed. They get a blood test. And that guy's lizard had LESS THAN 5 TIMES THE NORMAL CALCIUM LEVELS IN IT'S BLOOD. It's a wonder it wasn't tremoring sooner.



So I am still looking for the keeper (notice i don't name him rudely on other forums) and wanting to know what the vets did and what the new labs show. How much do you wanna bet I'm dead on with a) how they treated it and b) what the new labs show in it's Ca : P after recovery? Obviously, if he is already supplementing his bugs there is something else that is off. Maybe if he had 11 instead of 12 together the problem would just disappear by your logic. Yet you admit your 12 tristis got MBD symptoms that improved with dusting minerals.



The bottom line: You don't supplement, i do. I don't go overboard with it, though. The gutload AND dusting thing is overkill, yes. But commercially raised bugs are repeatedly shown to be higher in Phosphorus vs Calcium. If you don't feed the bugs well or dust them, how does a growing lizard make up that deficit? That's the million dollar question to you (chopped up mice/pinkies is the answer - you already revealed that a long time ago).



My animals are healthy and reproduce, so do yours. You're like 60 and have been doing this longer - so you pull the 'trump' to make sure you win the debate (seemingly). In actuality, you've been painted into a corner (again) and feel the need to discredit your opponent in a desperate attempt to save face. I expect you will go ahead and delete my post as always. But after all this nonsense fodder, the lizard didn't have enough Calcium in it's system to function normally and it was in his care for 3 months before any symptoms showed up at all. The real task at hand is for that keeper to figure out why. I hope we didn't scare him off the forums with all this bickering, lol.

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