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FR
at Tue Aug 21 10:35:39 2007 [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by FR ]
Guezzz you ask for it. I am not questioning what it had, I do question, how it got to that point. But your too focused on formulas to understand that. There are many ways for a monitor to malfunction, and substandard(poor) husbandry IS the cause of nearly all malfunctions.
So What makes you so sure, as far as I have read, no conclusion has be reported by the lab(not on our forum). So your the only one making conclusions.
You see, my mention of religion FITS right here. You have no faith in the monitors(or experience), so you only have faith in chemistry. Faith being the key word, not facts or lessons, or results.
If you HAD experience, you may understand, that kidney malfunction, can and will exhibit the same symtoms as CD(i use that because CD has many forms caused by many different situations)
Kidneys effect the blood(filters) In this case, the vet should check not only blood serum, but also bone density. Its bone density that defines CD. Blood serum can be a very temporary condition effected by short term conditions. Bone density is the reflection of blood serum over long periods, not daily. Yes, monitors can have non optimum serum levels, without becoming deseased. At least temporarily. Low blood serum levels is an indicator to investigate further, not diagnose desease.
Its weak bone density and cartilidge overgrowth, bone softening, and yes, tremors, that ARE CD. As I mentioned, tremors are also caused by kidney malfunction.
So now I am saying, if your going to educate yourself in chemistry, do a better job and take some lab classes.
What you fail(many others as well), to understand is, there is a huge difference between a handful of events(what you have) and 10,000 events. You see along the way to that number, there are a grip of exceptional conditions and results are are included in normal or abnormal, accidents, failures, variations, unexpected data, etc.
Even things like ackies eggs hatching in sixty days, not normal, but happens. Stuff occurs with numbers. But sadly you appear like the others and when you see numbers that I mention, you take that as bragging or ignore them altogether. That is YOUR failing not mine. You should be asking, what can happen between a few and a lot.
I have said a million times, these animals have been reproducing all on their own for millions of years, and without our help and even better, inspite of human interference, tractors, insectisides, etc. So no, I do not think its bragging to allow a monitor to do something IT ALREADY KNOWS HOW TO DO.
But you appear too insecure to actually look at success(mine) as a learning tool. So I ask, why on gods earth do you think your so smart?
My all time favorite monitor conversations(captive monitors) was with Dr. Ube Krebs. The reason was, we were peers, actual peers. He had bred ackies since 1978. He was not insecure. We spoke of monitors without human insecurity. I would mention facts that differed from his, he did not freak out, he simply wanted to know what conditions cause that. He did not defend himself, or argue, he ASKED QUESTIONS, that IS SCIENTIFIC.
One example was, he reported that ackies first clutches were 8 to 12 eggs. I then mentioned, you must not raise them together. Maybe you put pairs together at about two years of age. He said, Thats right, how the heck did you know?, I said, because if you raised them together, they would lay 3 to 6 eggs their first clutch and it would be in 6 months to a year area. He said, hmmmmmm, don't you have problems with small females becoming egg bound, I said no and explained more options in nesting. He used nest boxes and that NOW appear marginal, those often caused problems with the old and the young. IF you actually try and understand what I just said, which I doubt. You would understand, that something works or has success, also means it has many many levels. Not one. That kind of thinking is for kids(newbies). And surely you appear to not want to be thought of, as a kid(newbie) so open your mind to the possibility of numbers, experience and what different conditions cause.
ALso, about vet medicine, BECAUSE there is so little actual reproduction with varanids(our fault) Vets, do not have experience in the area of reproductive biology in varanids. Its a new area. And if we do not get better, as least enough to surface common problems, vets will never know or understand.
As it is, vets and labs, are experienced and expert at PH occurred problems, but are very naive with BH or better, problems. You know, problems occurred from performance, not lack of performace.
With that in mind, if you ask a vet, any vet, if an ackie(or any monitor) can have 18 clutches in a row(getting ready for 19) they would tell you it could not happen. Or how about laying 58 clutches in 9 years. Again they would say it could not happen, (but it has happened. Yes they can do that). They would say, It could not happen because the monitors cannot metabolize that much energy that fast. Which goes back to the start, Yes, they can, but not under the same conditions that only allows one clutch. You see, there are more pages to that monitor book and you have not read them. And after 10,000 clutches, I still have most of the book to read too. Get that?
Once Daniel Bennett came here(he came more then once) I showed him how to see eggs inside a female. I showed him a female kings monitor that had no eggs inside her, on monday. On tuesday I showed him that same female, Hmmmm now it has eggs. He said, IT was my understanding that took several months. As in, over winter it took months to convert fat limpets to yolk, etc. I said, nope, in a day. You see, his understanding limited his opinions and understanding on multiclutching. Academics think forming eggs takes months. If that were true, monitors could not multiclutch. As it would take to long. Please, this is an example of lack of experience limiting ones ability to SEE what is ACTUALLY there.
Lets take differing conditions. You think what your seeing with your wonderful success is normal. If you did the same thing for a period of time, say 5 or ten years. You would say what you received is normal. But what you recieved is not what I recieved. So you think I am the oddball. Lets look at this a little closer. Your keeping red ackies. Red ackies occur in western central W.A. They occur in very arid hot areas. Where they live commonly reaches 110F to 125F during the summer. With records of 137F(Goldsworthy W.A.) With 100F plus days, for most of the year. Which is in the middle of Red ackies range. With that in mind, our RED ACKIES here in arizona, experience more similar conditions to their habitat of origin, that yours do in Fla. But, here in my area, its not nearly so hot as where they actually occur. So do you think they should express the same results and abilities in these three areas?????? The same ability and use of metabolism? The same ability to convert prey to energy? The same ability to heal, etc. And you wonder why I think your not being as smart as you think you are. I admit, you appear very very smart and good at caring for your monitors(attentive) your just very very very limited in experience. In this, naive comes to mind. Open your mind to what you don't know. Cheers
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RE: I don't think that you do... - FR, Tue Aug 21 10:35:39 2007