So to throw the first punch, I will say that these science folks have lost the meaning of science(the mission statement) And have confused science with religion. (a large bomb)



What we do you and me with animals is all about science, husbandry wise when we make changes to achieve better results, this is all about science, to observe and understand an animals physiological capabilities, and to apply this understanding to our captives, is the epiphany of science, anything beyond this is madness. I don’t care if anyone says otherwise, heck id confront Darwin or Einstein about this no problem, but somehow I feel they would rather listen and learn then argue results, after all weren’t they the smarter ones?

Those folks your talking about can’t understand what we are saying, how could they?

The simple fact that they keep reading this forum says it all, they are your students regardless of there science back grounds. Whatever success they have is partly yours and mine, this makes me feel as good as it makes them angry.

In any case or any aspects of husbandry we the keepers will always be on the front line, we are progressive.

Like you I am not blinded by whatever success I have now, my husbandry and understanding will keep changing and progressing, I understand none of those science folks could ever keep up with me, they simply can’t commit the same way that I can. Eventually if I ever stop progressing I will stop keeping animals, theirs no point in keeping something you don’t profit from.

It’s no easy feat for us to have a discussion as we both see pretty much the same, it would be much easier for me to team up with those folks as I did with Byless, and confront you on your turf as opponents, but hey iv had my glory days already. hahaha

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