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jobi
at Wed Aug 22 13:28:51 2007 [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by jobi ]
They excel at digging up eggs (easy lunch) consequently they put more efforts in nesting them, other lizards especially some forest agamids may not see a need to nest deep, first eggs aren’t on there menu and second they don’t stick around to witness the genocide. But are these eggs any different?
From what I know nesting is not constant, they will nest deeper in dryer times, they may also nest in other places to avoid floods at some time, so they aren’t restricted in media or location choices.
This we both understand, however where you are losing me, is when you say eggs are different from one specie to an other. I understand about diapauses and long incubation, but its these very qualities that makes them tough to variables. I remember Walter telling me about him circling a komodo nest with a kiddie pool lignin, you know the exterior metal wall, he knocked this wall 6in deep all around the nest site to protect it from predation, one day after a heavy rain the dang thing filled with water, as a result those eggs hatched 2 weeks before the neighbouring nests, funny considering he tot they have drowned.
Opposing stories of very dry nest and babies hatching from syringed eggs on komodo have been documented.
You advocate about nesting options, but you know as I do witch options they will choose, so its unfair as we can provide a narrow band of options, we can almost pin point where they will nest, in fact we manipulate our caging in this optic. You also advocate mass when it comes to incubation, this comes from an understanding of what these eggs require to strive, mass kinds of buffers our mistakes of husbandry.
Those guys who kills them don’t understand about options, they use shallow Rubbermaid’s with no mass and no breath-ability, its amazing they hatch some eggs in those conditions, proving how tough they are.
When someone post about his eggs dieing from excessive moisture, I find it odd, if eggs where so fragile millions would die off from the first rainy day, next is when I hear about dieing eggs from incubator power failure, this is also odd as there are strong temperature drops all over this world, same goes to hotter days, enough variation to make reptiles go extinct if we refer to our captive eggs. But no they make it thru alright, is there something we are missing? Yes absolutely, I thing we are killing them with love, they don’t need us to foster them as we do, from the first day we put them in these terrible stagnant containers, they get weaker by the day, there immune system gets crippled and the egg membrane starts to lose its functions, resulting in full term dead or fungal infection, weak hatchlings or mentally disturbed not to mention deformities.
You being on the front line of varanids husbandry should agree that egg husbandry is still in the infancy stage, I agree many good peoples have don excellent work, but this wont keep me from pushing the limits and trying new ideas. I have broth to your attention not long ago, that I think these eggs could be moved and even shipped, but you rejected this idea, perhaps you see no need or value in this?
Your stubbornness in your ways has allowed all of us to reach higher goals then tough possible, however you are progressive and because of that will test these ideas and bring new possibilities in the process, witch is all good to me. If I wasn’t learning something from you I would not come here.
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RE: a couple years ago - jobi, Wed Aug 22 13:28:51 2007