Hi Jobi, I hope your progressing well. As you know, my field partner and best friend, just lost his wife to cancer. It was an 11 month battle. I dearly wish you well.

That being said, There is but one way to make this not academic or theoretical, and that is to show it with a few animals. From start to finish. So if you want me to believe it, you going to have to show it. For others, you may not have too.

Also, there is so many apples to oranges. For instance, you say your orangespots turned normal after you got rid of them. How do you know they would not have done the same if you would have kept them???? Are you merely assuming that keeper was a poor keeper.

I am positive these animals are what they eat. And it appears mine have a decent enough diet to allow great coloration.

It could be many many things, like what were others rodents fed or how long were in frozen. I do not know any of this. But I do know about my feeders as I produce all our monitor food right here on site. So I know what I am feeding.

For all I know, my rodent food is full of all manner of TOIDS. I have no need to find out. My mice and crickets do well, and so do my monitors.

By the way, those orangespots did not turn out exactly like normal bluetails, just not enough different to make a hub-hub over it. I did not continue keeping that species as they were ABSOLUTELY NO FUN. That "normal" bluetail female I housed here for Jefe, was not only much prettier, but a truly great monitor. I really enjoyed that bluetail(I should have stole it from Jefe.

Buy the way, I would love for you to show more. As I love all the stuff you show with your agamids and such. Great stuff. I would love to see the same with varanids.

As you know, I do not care that you do not. You do not have too. That is your choice. And I respect that.

But somehow I do not see how any of this applies to most here. Again, if you all are trying to tell me I need to do that. Your wrong. If its clearly proved to me. I may consider it, if I am in the position of need.

I do agree with the one poster who said that adding TOIDS and suppliments does not make a unhealthy monitor, healthy. I still think folks should get them monitors healthy, then they may not have to worry about adding anything. You know, like my monitors.

In my experience, as long as I perform normal maintainence, I have no color problems. But as soon as I negleck a monitor or group, I can tell by their color. They become drab. If I return to normal attention, they return to normal color. I do not have to add anything new. GET WELL, Cheers

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