I can see wehre you misunderstood my point... which was trying to simplify what you are saying.



The body is poisoned because it cannot remove the toxins created by both normaly bodily functions and those produced by the bacteria...



The number 1 outwardly signs in turtles and tortoises is the blood visible under the scutes. When it reaches that level it is very serious in tortoises and intervention by a vet is needed.





>>I hate to disagree Ed but here's MY 2cents.

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>>Although I value your opinion, septicemia by definition is a serious infection that overwhelms the body's ability to host an immune response and leads to septic shock which is what kills. It can lead to a lot of things and Acute renal failure ( by virtue of renal hypoperfusion from massive venoarterial dilation, among other things), but renal failure cannot result in septicemia because there has to be a pathogen that " gets out of hand"

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>>what causes Septicemia? Any infectious etiology including viral, bacterial and/or fungal. Also there's is no " picture" of septicemia other than microscopically. Blood under the scutes is not the hallmark of septicemia, and the animal can be well septic without it.
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Ed @ Tortoise Keepers

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