Hey Matt,





IMHO, you are both right , if it is the wrong sex, you should have verified and he should be willing to do something. Again IMO, NOT a full exchange since so much time has passed. Like you said this is a customer related business and I feel the breeder should be offering something.



There's probably nothing you can do about it other than take your business elsewhere.





>>I bought an 05' "female" borneo blood python from a well known east coast breeder who's been breeding snakes for the last 3 decades. I bought the snake at a reptile expo in June 06'. Since I have known and dealt with this breeder since I was 12 (I'm now 21) and knowing his history with breeding I didn't 2nd guess the genders of the snakes he sold me. I bought a trio 1.1 05' marbles, and 0.1 05' borneo. I started cycling about 2 weeks ago and have the genders separated. the male marble in one cage and the female marble and female borneo in another. I noticed when I got up for work 11/27 that the borneo female seemed to be attempting to copulate with the marble female. I couldn't check then so I made it a point to probe the snake when I returned home from work. When I got home the snakes looked the same. I probed it to about 8 subscales. At this point I placed it with the male marble. What followed next I took pics of. The "female" borneo tried copulating with the male marble. I e-mailed the guy and here's the conversation:

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>>The normal female borneo I got from you at the June Expo is a male. I can bring it to Hamburg if you would like to check it for yourself. If it does turn out to be a male what would you like to do about it?

>>thanks,

>>Matt

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>>Matt, You can bring it if you want but it is a femal;e. They probe depper than other pythons & females will actually pop out too & looks very similar to a male but smaller. As far as what I will don about it, well now you got it in June 5 mos ago so I can't honestly do anything at this point

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>>So you're telling me that if it does turn out to be a male you won't take it back? How many bags of rodent food would I have to buy for them to be $10/bag? A guy offered me $12/bag at Hamburg for the same food.

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>>These are pics of the normal borneo and the male marble:

>>I sent him the 3 pics at the bottom of the snake he sold me as a female attempting to copulate with my male.

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>>Matt, I cannot sell the lab block @ $10 per bag. It costs me $9 plus

>>gas to pick it up. The cheapest I go is $13.50 to p[eople who buy @

>>least 10 bags at a time. I have to find out who sells it for $12 as my

>>rep gave me southern Pa & Md & no Va as exclusive sales area for me. As

>>far as the snake goes I don't take snakes back at all from anyone. My

>>charge card reciepts even state " All Livestock Sales Final---No

>>Refunds or Exchanges" so people using credit cards can't get

>>chargebacks if they decide they don't want it for some reason.

>>Considering this has been almost 6 mos you tell me any other business

>>where you can buy something & then return it 6 mos later. Sorry

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>>Now you don't have to tell me that I should have probed the snake when I got it because I know that but considering the snake wasn't the nicest blood i've seen, is about 4', and that this breeders experience with snakes exceeds the amount of years i've been alive I didn't 2nd guess him. Also female bloods probe to 3-5 subscales which isn't much different to the 2-4 that female balls do.

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>>Also, in his 2nd e-mail to me he talks about what his charge card receipts state which has nothing to do with me since I paid with cash, nor have I ever gotten one from him. I definitely feel screwed especially since i've bought about $10k worth of snakes from this person and there has been a couple of other incidences when i've either had a snake that was sold out from under me etc... Being young, naive, and loyal I still dealt with this person since they were really the first person I bought snakes from and I felt they looked at me as more than "just a customer," but I guess not.

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>>One thing to other breeders is don't be a** holes towards your customers, you'll make much more if you treat them with respect.

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>>I'm just writing this to get people's opinion on the situation. Any feedback is appreciated.

>>thanks in advance,

>>Matt Oakley

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Thanks,





Dave Colling



www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com







0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)

0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)



LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:

24.36 BRB

19.19 BCI

And those are only the breeders



lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

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