Just to clarify what I stated about the 25 ssp., If you put "gentilis"(that you didn't include on the list) in place of "temporalis",...then you have all 25 milksnakes recognized by taxonomy today, "temporalis" is certainly thought of by ALL of us, and MANY other hobbyists, as well as other authorities to be note worthy, and strong efforts to keep locality animals pure to their specific area of locale, but the problematic lineage of the animal itself has excluded it from being an actual subspecies to much of the scientific community.

To me, to you, and countless other breeder/hobbyists, they will ALWAYS certainly be "valid" hobby-wise beyond any doubt,......and that is number 26, which is left optional, even in most literature(Systematics by Kenneth Williams included)

Heck,...I bred some sweet Calvert County temporalis years ago, and they will ALWAYS remain temporalis as far as I'm concerned, that is what they are to us.


best regards, ~Doug



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• Newbie has some questions. - Freis, Mon Jan 28 09:38:35 2008
• RE: Newbie has some questions. - DMong, Mon Jan 28 10:03:12 2008
• 25? - jyohe, Mon Jan 28 16:17:07 2008
• RE: 25? - shannon brown, Mon Jan 28 16:38:47 2008
• RE: 25? - jyohe, Mon Jan 28 17:47:38 2008
• that's right - DMong, Tue Jan 29 18:44:05 2008
• RE: that's right - jyohe, Tue Jan 29 18:55:13 2008
• RE: that's right - DMong, Tue Jan 29 19:51:25 2008
• RE: 25? - kingsnake1, Fri Feb 1 16:39:19 2008
• that's what I asked......LOL - jyohe, Fri Feb 1 18:03:45 2008
• RE: 25? - Patton, Mon Jan 28 19:36:29 2008
• RE: 25? - QuickSand, Mon Jan 28 18:35:53 2008
• RE: 25? - DMong, Mon Jan 28 22:39:33 2008
• aaaaaaaaaah - jyohe, Tue Jan 29 18:46:32 2008
• Considerations - - JKruse, Mon Jan 28 11:00:09 2008
• RE: Considerations - - Joe_M, Mon Jan 28 11:27:39 2008
• RE: Considerations - - terryd, Mon Jan 28 21:52:25 2008
• RE: Considerations - - Joe_M, Mon Jan 28 23:20:39 2008
• RE: Considerations - - terryd, Tue Jan 29 00:02:31 2008
• RE: Considerations - - daneby, Tue Jan 29 00:20:48 2008
• RE: Considerations - - terryd, Tue Jan 29 10:33:15 2008
• RE: Considerations - - Freis, Mon Jan 28 23:06:30 2008
• RE: Considerations - - daneby, Tue Jan 29 00:14:41 2008
• RE: Considerations - - nategodin, Tue Jan 29 18:11:46 2008
• RE: Considerations - - Freis, Mon Jan 28 23:10:59 2008
• RE: Considerations - - antr1, Tue Jan 29 08:52:29 2008
• RE: Considerations - - Freis, Tue Jan 29 09:23:10 2008
• RE: Considerations - - JKruse, Tue Jan 29 14:48:30 2008
• RE: Considerations - - blupanther, Tue Jan 29 16:15:01 2008
• RE: Considerations - - antelope, Tue Jan 29 19:13:47 2008
• I totally agree! - DMong, Tue Jan 29 20:44:13 2008