We have all have already done the experiment in the form of real world application. Molurus has been available in the general pet trade for forty years and was brought to the US long before that. To date only one feral population can be documented and that one exist in one small area that provides optimum conditions. This includes all python species as well as boas. If these animals were as adaptable and environmentally threatening as some of those picky scientists propose. It would seem logical that there would be a lot more real life evidence to support their hypotheses.



I see what your saying the truth is our side will be submitting plenty of information from a scientific view point . Many of the pen and paper guys only understand what read , not the real world. In their minds this passes for validation. So it's very important to humor these guys with comforting documentation in terms of it's " scientific " foundation.



One of the problems is the other views expert information is being produced from skewed sources ( Skip Snow, Dr Rodda Etc.) . A large source being " specialist " Skip Snow . I have been following Skips work since before this was news and lets just say Skip and Gordon Rodda are on the same page. At this point most everything on paper is speculation. Not to much in the way of facts.



Temperature makes up only one element of a species ability to survive. To break this angle down to it's most elementary form.



Black rat snakes survive in regions that fall far below freezing. Now place a rat snake in a freezer at 32 degrees. My bet is that it doesn't hibernate it dies. Over all circumstances and not simply temperature. When you look for a valid study the question is what constitutes valid. To the academics it would seem drawing conclusions from a forced scenario is valid. In the classroom it's been said many times that if you introduce an animal into a foreign environment that it's chances of survival are slim. Now the same people that graduated fron these classrooms are telling us if you introduce an animal into a foreign environment it will completely take over.



Ernie Eison

westwoodreptiles.com

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• You Need Experimental Data! - marcp, Fri Mar 7 20:30:35 2008
• RE: You Need Experimental Data! - OHI, Sat Mar 8 00:51:50 2008
• You don't need to do an experiment - MadAxeMan, Sat Mar 8 07:32:53 2008
• RE: You don't need to do an experiment - marcp, Sat Mar 8 08:12:58 2008
• RE: You don't need to do an experiment - natsamjosh, Sat Mar 8 09:00:24 2008
• RE: You don't need to do an experiment - marcp, Sat Mar 8 20:24:51 2008
• RE: You don't need to do an experiment - wstreps, Sun Mar 9 09:30:26 2008
• Can we organize better? - marcp, Sun Mar 9 11:01:12 2008
• RE: You don't need to do an experiment - lbenton, Tue Mar 11 13:29:12 2008
• This is NOT about science! - natsamjosh, Sat Mar 8 08:04:13 2008
• RE: This is NOT about science! - silentchaos, Sat Mar 8 14:31:47 2008
• RE: This is NOT about science! - natsamjosh, Mon Mar 10 08:37:30 2008
• RE: You Need Experimental Data! - lbenton, Tue Mar 11 13:38:37 2008