And I use that term as in "our hobby will be dead if we take that attitude". Your opinions on this matter is contrary to ALL ecological studies of which I am aware. It is YOU who need to provide data for your peculiar opinions, Mike-and you provide none.



As for Box turtles-you overstimate their reproductive capacity, and underestimate their juvenile mortality (which around here is zero). I say again-in our area, they are all but gone! Just because there are a few left out in the Trans Pecos is no reason to be sanguine.



And your position on management is just contradictory on its face-I won't bother to refute it since it is transparently self-serving.



As for gray bands, I know you wish to paint HCU as a bunch of grayband hunters, but that is not the case and everyone here knows it. I spend my time in the field herping for maximum diversity-the only alterna I ever found was incidentally seen while I was looking for subocs lol!



Maybe you don't mind seeing the herp hobby banned if your right to sell spadefoots isn't preserved, but the rest of us won't be sold down the river for a tiny group of commercial collectors.



Have a good morning.
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Brad Chambers

WWW.HCU-TX.ORG



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