hey mike, i'll bet if you look at your ''non-marker'' hets, if you squint hard enough, you will find traces of the marker pattern, particuarly down by the vent. there are also a couple of more subtle ''markers'' that seem to show up in most hets. directly under the heat pits on the upper lip, pied hets usually have some speckling. most bp's [classic jungles are an exception] have clean white upper lips. also, the dorsal pattern on every het i own has gold markings crossing over the spine at least once, labby style. i can usually pick my ''marker'' poss hets out of a clutch before i flip them over using the overlap. my score? 17 100 per cent hets, all perfectly belly marked. 24 female [i don't keep stats on the males] ''marker'' poss hets, 22 carry good belly marks, 2 are a little shaky, but i like those secondary traits. i think these things are only important when breeding snakes of known pied lineage, not ch babies. by the way, pastel het pieds have the ''marker'', i think to disregard something so obvious is a huge mistake, how do you think pete kahl got so big? great luck to all, kurt d.

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