return to main index

  market - home
follow us on facebook follow us on twitter link to us on LinkedIn
Click for ZooMed  
Locate a business by name: click to list your business
search the classifieds. buy an account
events by zip code list an event
Search the forums             Search in:
News & Events: How a python change the course of Attenbourgh's life . . . . . . . . . .  Make good choices . . . . . . . . . .  Burmese found on roadside in Wisconsin raises issues . . . . . . . . . .  Short interview with Bryan Suson of Sundown Reptiles . . . . . . . . . .  Happy Earth Day . . . . . . . . . .  Kingsnake Merch Store . . . . . . . . . .  Kingsnake returns to Tinley . . . . . . . . . .  kingsnake.com joins Monitor Brains! . . . . . . . . . .  Sneak Peek . . . . . . . . . .  Amphibian gut bacteria showing promise in cancer research . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day . . . . . . . . . .  Meet The Baroness - The world's longest snake . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day . . . . . . . . . .  Updates? . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day . . . . . . . . . .  The mechanics behind the viper strike . . . . . . . . . .  Snakes on a Train? . . . . . . . . . .  Tracking the animals in the Florida Everglades - Meet the Croc Docs . . . . . . . . . .  Reintroduction attempts give San Francisco Garter a second chance . . . . . . . . . .  Promoting Reptiles is Our Jam Man . . . . . . . . . .  Origins of Chytrid discovered . . . . . . . . . .  Wisdom Wednesday - The Forums - The water is warm... Come on in! . . . . . . . . . .  Kingsnake.com Past, Present and Future . . . . . . . . . .  IHS Celebrates 50 years . . . . . . . . . .  End of January 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Fun Fact Friday - Green Tree Monitor . . . . . . . . . .  The Evolution of the Osteoderm discovered . . . . . . . . . .  PACNWRS Expo Jan 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Diamondback discovered in new Texas county for first time . . . . . . . . . .  Greater Cincinnati Herp Society Meeting - June 03, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  CRE - Jun. 20-21, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Colorado Herp Society Meeting - June 20, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Chicago Herpetological Society Meeting - June 21, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Bay Area Herpetological Society Meeting - June 26, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Tinley NARBC June - Jun 27-28 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  DFW Herp Society Meeting - June 27, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Greater Cincinnati Herp Society Meeting - July 01, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Reptile Super Show & LA Pet Fair - July 11-12 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  PACNWRS - Jul. 11-12, 2026 . . . . . . . . . . 

Phew, got a little wordy in my response

[ Login ] [ User Prefs ] [ Search Forums ] [ Back to Main Page ] [ Back to Rainbow Boas ]

Posted by: rainbowsrus at Mon Apr 21 18:16:11 2008   [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by rainbowsrus ]  
   

Without knowing the specific history to your animals, any future purchase will be a guess if it's compatible. Heck, it's not even known now if any of the anery or hypo lines are compatible or not.



IMO, new morph 101....



Step one - acquire new morph animal(s) Many methods including but not limited to - WC animals, Offspring from WC animals, purchasing from whatever source at ??? pricing, breeding siblings for spontaneous new morph (like Mike did) etc.



Step two - (duh) raise them up, yeah an obvious one but then again you can't do ANYTHING towards proving ANYTHING until you complete that all important second step.



Step three - Breeding trials.



IMO there are three sepoerate breeding trials that have to be done to fully prove anything and I'm sure others will expand that to say multiples of each for supporting proof.



A) Visual Morph to unrelated normal - proves or disproves dominant morph. Three possible outcomes...

I) all morphs = Probable dominant morph and your animal is homozygous.

II) 1/2(ish) morph 1/2(ish) normal = probable dominant morph and your animal is het.

III) all normal = possible recessive morph, your animal is homozygous and all offspring are hets. (the other possibilities are polygenic morph where multiple genes are involved or simple one off, non genetic freak of nature.



B) Het to Het or het to visual - can partially prove recessive nature of the morph



C) Visual to Visual - litter of all visuals along with other breeding trials would prove recessive nature.



Since you have visual siblings, BY ALL MEANS breed them together that first year. Duh, a litter of morphs but also one important step towards proving the line/morph. I would also use that visual male for any of the other breeding trials I could. Bred in a 1.3 group consisting of 1.0 visual, 0.1 visual, 0.1 het (if you have one) and 0.1 unrelated normal. This way most of your breeding trials will be done the first year and assuming all the litters fall withing expected outcomes, you will NOT have completely proven it but will be close and can market them with your known results as evidence of probable morph status. IMO the most important of those breedings is the visual to the normal as that part of the breeding trials is a two generation process and the sooner you get started, the sooner you can finish.





Again, all is my thoughts on the subject and breeding trials to prove out morphs need to be flexible and subject to modification as individual litters are born (or fail to become gravid/slug out). For example, your visual to visual could be inbred to the point that some of the babies are born with defects. May still be valid as proof but those defective babies would not help increase your founding stock. Even the healthy ones would be risky to breed.
-----
Thanks,





Dave Colling



www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com







0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)

0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)



LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:

26.49 BRB

20.21 BCI

And those are only the breeders



lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats


   

[ Show Entire Thread ]


>> Next Message:  RE: Phew, got a little wordy in my response - brick1, Mon Apr 21 18:51:25 2008
>> Next Message:  RE: Phew, got a little wordy in my response - Jeff Clark, Sat Apr 26 02:16:17 2008

<< Previous Message:  OT : what a find - brick1, Sun Apr 20 19:50:26 2008

Click for 65% off Shipping with Reptiles 2 You Click to visit Sierra Fish and Pets Click to visit Classifieds
KINGSNAKE.COM

Enjoy all our content free of charge with a user account that gives you full access to every feature. For added visibility, paid options are available - post in our Classifieds, showcase your business with Banner Ads or a Directory listing, promote reptile events, and more.

Quick Links
Community
Legal & Safety
Support

Register for free ✓ Sign up!

Kingsnake.com ® is a registered trademark © 1997-