This is a bit like playing checkers, If a keeper came in and showed decent success with breeding and keeping MONITORS, and they said, I do use UV bulbs for reasons of aesthetics(because it looks better) Then I would say, good on you. I would not argue that point, it does look better.

But if they come in and say, it WORKS better, I will argue that point all day long. Because then they would have to outdo the results we have seen here, all without the use of UV bulbs. So far, no one has.

Its not about me being egotistical because of our results, its because, they are the ones who SAY ITS NEEDED.

Which means they are saying its required. Yet none of those saying that have actually obtained even the most average of results. So any thinking person would have to ask, Why do you think its needed, when you have not obtained decent successful results.

About harmful, Any decent UVA or UVB bulb, that is one that actually puts out more then a normal bulb, has a WARNING, do not stare into the light. It can cause blindness. Do they cause blindness in reptiles, heck if I know.

But the point is, they are not needed, not do they cause harm. The state of varanid keeping is so poor(lack of normal life events) that We as a whole should be looking for tools that cause a better captive life, not a placeholder that does no harm.

As I started with this thread, why not use the money for a bigger cage, monitors can always use a bigger cage. Or more food, monitors can always use more food. Or make a cage that includes deep substrate. Or or or many many other needed things. Not waste time and money on things "not" needed.

I think there is a big difference in success levels between this one(monitors) and other types of reptiles.

In most other areas, the keepers expect to breed those types, Here the most common expectation is for the monitor not to die quickly. Cheers

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