I'm interested in hearing more about the Ross Allen archives. One thing that I have heard about him is that he brought in snakes from all over the state.

I think that the random escaped pet/ released specimen theory is highly unlikely. I could accept this if it were represented by one or even a few that fit in with your concept of what they should look like based upon your north to south description. I have seen many photo's representing many individual specimens that contradict this though. Something else to consider is that the photo's that I have viewed are from friends that I consider reliable sources and were not taken in downtown Orlando. These photo's were taken in remote area's where finding a released pine snake is unlikely.

These several folks that I have talked with this about all agree that the lighter colored mugitus generally are found near the coast whether this be north or south. Of course this is a generalization and like anything I'm sure there are exceptions.

Do you have any locality info on the pines you posted photo's of? This makes for an interesting discussion and I would like to hear more about what you have seen over the years.

Phil

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