I'm interested in hearing more about the Ross Allen archives. One thing that I have heard about him is that he brought in snakes from all over the state.

I think that the random escaped pet/ released specimen theory is highly unlikely. I could accept this if it were represented by one or even a few that fit in with your concept of what they should look like based upon your north to south description. I have seen many photo's representing many individual specimens that contradict this though. Something else to consider is that the photo's that I have viewed are from friends that I consider reliable sources and were not taken in downtown Orlando. These photo's were taken in remote area's where finding a released pine snake is unlikely.

These several folks that I have talked with this about all agree that the lighter colored mugitus generally are found near the coast whether this be north or south. Of course this is a generalization and like anything I'm sure there are exceptions.

Do you have any locality info on the pines you posted photo's of? This makes for an interesting discussion and I would like to hear more about what you have seen over the years.

Phil

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• Southern pinesnakes - CrzyflsrepDennis, Wed Jun 18 17:56:43 2008
• RE: Southern pinesnakes - daveb, Wed Jun 18 18:19:39 2008
• RE: Southern pinesnakes - CrzyflsrepDennis, Wed Jun 18 20:25:53 2008
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• RE: Southern pinesnakes - CrzyflsrepDennis, Wed Jun 18 20:48:06 2008
• RE: Southern pinesnakes - derekdehaas, Thu Jun 19 10:26:25 2008
• Southern Pine pics... - jodscovry, Thu Jun 19 20:06:48 2008
• RE: Southern Pine pics... - jodscovry, Thu Jun 19 20:40:32 2008
• more... - jodscovry, Thu Jun 19 20:41:49 2008
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• Snakes in a tennis net? - viandy, Thu Jun 19 21:35:50 2008
• RE: Southern Pine pics... - Phil Peak, Fri Jun 20 17:18:29 2008
• RE: Southern Pine pics... - jodscovry, Fri Jun 20 21:11:42 2008
• no coments on the spelling? - jodscovry, Fri Jun 20 21:13:26 2008
• RE: no coments on the spelling? - CrimsonKing, Fri Jun 20 23:23:57 2008
• RE: no coments on the spelling? - jodscovry, Sat Jun 21 14:49:39 2008
• RE: no coments on the spelling? - CrimsonKing, Sat Jun 21 16:45:23 2008
• RE: no coments on the spelling? - Phil Peak, Sun Jun 22 06:05:53 2008
• RE: no coments on the spelling? - CrimsonKing, Sun Jun 22 18:24:07 2008
• RE: no coments on the spelling? - CrimsonKing, Sat Jun 21 16:46:28 2008
• RE: Southern Pine pics... - Phil Peak, Sat Jun 21 16:57:39 2008
• RE: Southern Pine pics... - jodscovry, Sun Jun 22 22:54:50 2008
• RE: Southern pinesnakes - CrimsonKing, Thu Jun 19 23:01:28 2008
• RE: Southern pinesnakes - antelope, Fri Jun 20 08:35:28 2008