hmmmmm.. I have seen huge clutches of eastern coachwhips hatched and every one was a lil different in base color and in markings but all look very much related and I've seen pines hatched at the expo in orlando and some were light and some were dark but none had the eye mask all 10 were different but the same, what Im trying to say is that they change in every county and you may be right about the "interior state snakes" because their somewhat isolated on the ridges by miles of swamps in between, and the ridges are continous from the north to the south, also I have mostly seen pines from coastal areas. The ocala pines are the proof here in that every ocala pine I have ever seen, in books or on the net and the few I have seen in person all look the same. and the three I found in sarasota were all grey and had brown blotches and perfectly clean heads, and all three were found in different corners of the county, and lets not forget floridas geographic design, being a peninsula not open land with a border thats not an ocean or gulf,like the bullsnakes range, point being, locals breed only with locals that look the same without the availibility of intrusions here. I get the notion your an intelligent guy and if you had seen what I have you would take my word.no offence and much respect for your knowledge.

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• southern pine pics...continued for tom - jodscovry, Sun Jun 22 23:03:59 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - Phil Peak, Mon Jun 23 12:23:08 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - jodscovry, Mon Jun 23 16:16:04 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - Phil Peak, Mon Jun 23 16:42:54 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - jodscovry, Mon Jun 23 21:20:07 2008
• allthough.... - jodscovry, Mon Jun 23 21:25:52 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - Phil Peak, Mon Jun 23 21:47:08 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - LloydHeilbrunn, Mon Jun 23 21:42:18 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - Phil Peak, Mon Jun 23 21:55:39 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - jodscovry, Tue Jun 24 08:47:48 2008
• aother good example... - jodscovry, Tue Jun 24 10:54:49 2008
• RE: aother good example... - daveb, Tue Jun 24 13:55:02 2008
• RE: another good example... - jodscovry, Tue Jun 24 15:29:25 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - LloydHeilbrunn, Tue Jun 24 21:08:10 2008