I really like this discussion JB and I can tell that you are a guy that appreciates the variation that occurs in nature. I am far from an expert on this subject but I do appreciate the opinions and personal experiences that I have heard from you and others.

Speaking of darker colored mugitus. I have noted that those from south Ga and interior north Fl (the ANF for example) are generally dark in coloration compared to those in the peninsula. A friend of mine did find a specimen last year in the western panhandle (Okaloosa county) that was very light colored. I have seen photo's of a number of others from that locale that were much less attractive and were very dark.

I completely agree with you on the fact that the bulk of sayi's range is connected in some form or another. The example I cited from the Kankakee sand prairie however is not. This is a relic population of snakes that are not contiguous in any way with any population of sayi. Much the same can be said for the pine barrens melanoleucus.

Phil

[ Hide Replies ]

• southern pine pics...continued for tom - jodscovry, Sun Jun 22 23:03:59 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - Phil Peak, Mon Jun 23 12:23:08 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - jodscovry, Mon Jun 23 16:16:04 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - Phil Peak, Mon Jun 23 16:42:54 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - jodscovry, Mon Jun 23 21:20:07 2008
• allthough.... - jodscovry, Mon Jun 23 21:25:52 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - Phil Peak, Mon Jun 23 21:47:08 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - LloydHeilbrunn, Mon Jun 23 21:42:18 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - Phil Peak, Mon Jun 23 21:55:39 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - jodscovry, Tue Jun 24 08:47:48 2008
• aother good example... - jodscovry, Tue Jun 24 10:54:49 2008
• RE: aother good example... - daveb, Tue Jun 24 13:55:02 2008
• RE: another good example... - jodscovry, Tue Jun 24 15:29:25 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - LloydHeilbrunn, Tue Jun 24 21:08:10 2008