Thats great phil, My intentions are just to find and secure a pair of specimens that fit the "coastal "southern florida typical color variant soon before their gone, which will be soon if not already at least in sarasota, hardee and desoto counties. though near impossible to find while searching for, they did show up dead on roads but don't anymore. fwc thinks pines are just secritive but again if the fwc knew what I knew from spending so much down on my knees and all the huge piles I've worked and find only corns and racers and as a kid we jumped every fence in the state, I have been all over and am genuinly concerned that one day, after I'm dead and gone that the reptile breeders trade offers the northern color varaiant as typical fla pines,the fact is very few people have seen the snake I'm looking for, here is a pic frank zappilortti took and is published in a paperback titled Pinesnakes by Mara. and to all that think snakes should be left alone, Imagine not having a S. pine availible like this, and to this day george at the reptile World in St.Cloud has the only thing close to this gene...Joe B

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• southern pine pics...continued for tom - jodscovry, Sun Jun 22 23:03:59 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - Phil Peak, Mon Jun 23 12:23:08 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - jodscovry, Mon Jun 23 16:16:04 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - Phil Peak, Mon Jun 23 16:42:54 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - jodscovry, Mon Jun 23 21:20:07 2008
• allthough.... - jodscovry, Mon Jun 23 21:25:52 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - Phil Peak, Mon Jun 23 21:47:08 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - LloydHeilbrunn, Mon Jun 23 21:42:18 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - Phil Peak, Mon Jun 23 21:55:39 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - jodscovry, Tue Jun 24 08:47:48 2008
• aother good example... - jodscovry, Tue Jun 24 10:54:49 2008
• RE: aother good example... - daveb, Tue Jun 24 13:55:02 2008
• RE: another good example... - jodscovry, Tue Jun 24 15:29:25 2008
• RE: southern pine pics...continued for tom - LloydHeilbrunn, Tue Jun 24 21:08:10 2008