Phil,



You NC folks are so stuck on AR groups it isn’t even funny. Who put forth the USFWS boa and python ban? The USGS, NPS and the SFWMD. All of these government groups have agency biologists that came from academia. They are not AR groups but they push an AR type agenda. Can’t you see that? Are you that blind? Bob Reed who co-wrote the python paper is a former, PARC founder Whit Gibbons, post doc. Who pushed for the box turtle ban in TX? Michael Smith and Lee Fitzgerald of the Box Turtle Coalition. They are both academics.



You need to open your eyes and your mind. If you think that an AR agenda is just not eating meat then you don’t know what an AR agenda is. It is banning activities. It is taking away rights and privileges w/o data. It is setting ridiculously low bag limits. Its shutting down collectors, breeders and hobbyists while not doing anything substantial about the bulldozers of habitat destruction. It is crippling captive propagation and denying folks the ability to get new blood and commerce. Academics continue to do these things. Can you collect and keep spotted turtles in NC? Can you collect and keep horridus in NC? Ask NC resident Dean Ripa what he thinks. Agenda is elitist position statements in the PARC Model Herp Regs: Where should surplus research animals and their progeny be placed? PARC Model Herp Regs response: accredited zoos and research institutions. A non-elitist private stakeholder response: any qualified person including privates.



There are to many examples to give. I don’t have the time to run through them all but you get the picture. Or do you? You might be so blind by “agenda” that you can’t see Skip Snow of the NPS banning you from breeding and selling pythons. Wake up man! Academics push an AR type agenda. If you don’t want to see it then I don’t know what to say.



And finally, you obviously didn’t read my post because I am a member of PARC and was before you were. It looks like you just skimmed my response and focused in on a few things and disregarded the rest.



Welkerii

El Paso, TX

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