I think Heather made some good points also, but from the looks of the mother of the litter, keeping in mind I cant see her tail in the picure posted, doesnt appear to have a ladder tail. The father clearly doesnt have a ladder tail. I believe this means the laddertail does not play into the Harlequin Patternless genetics.

I do believe Heathers laddertails are the hetero form of the Roswell boa however.

My question is does the father of the Patternless have any BCC blood in him? If so, is he in any way related to the mother of the litter? I think the answers to this question will be very telling. If he has no BCC blood or relation to the mother of the litter I would have to say the Patternless genetics do not come from the BCC blood.

I think most would agree the patternless is the homo or "super" form of a mutuation regardless if it proves to be co-dom or simple recessive. This would tell me that the "Patternless" gene was in both parents. I would look for traits that both parents have in common and target them as possible "het patternless" markers.

I think this will prove to be a reproducable genetic mutuation. I also believe the genetics may ride the fine line between being co-dom and simple recessive. I feel there will prove to be subtle visual traits of "Het Harlequin Patternless" almost like the Yellow Belly Ball Python.

I have absolutely no facts to back up my theory so take it for what you will. I do have a small group of Harlequins and I am hoping to see if any of my animals carry the Patternless gene within the next few years.

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• Can we have an open discussion about - skyslinger, Wed Jan 14 20:54:09 2009
• RE: Can we have an open discussion about - ilovemylizard, Thu Jan 15 01:45:11 2009
• RE: Can we have an open discussion about - ilovemylizard, Thu Jan 15 02:13:59 2009
• Heather, I think you have made some - skyslinger, Thu Jan 15 06:37:12 2009
• RE: Heather, I think you have made some - vcaruso15, Thu Jan 15 08:03:20 2009
• Good points as well. Here is a pic of - skyslinger, Thu Jan 15 10:02:24 2009
• RE: Can we have an open discussion about - ilovemylizard, Thu Jan 15 15:23:29 2009
• I have to take your word I wouldn't know - skyslinger, Thu Jan 15 15:57:16 2009
• Patternless Super Aztec - bob36, Thu Jan 15 19:41:21 2009
• No doubt! What were we thinking? - skyslinger, Thu Jan 15 23:43:22 2009
• I think it would be very helpful - boaphile, Thu Jan 15 10:39:50 2009
• Jeff, read my posts and you will see - skyslinger, Thu Jan 15 11:06:54 2009
• Modifyingr and Regulator genes link - skyslinger, Thu Jan 15 11:54:09 2009
• RE: Modifyingr and Regulator genes link - ilovemylizard, Thu Jan 15 15:28:06 2009
• No problem. I like to learn too! np - skyslinger, Thu Jan 15 15:58:11 2009
• Not that i can add much genetic info but - geckocrazy, Thu Jan 15 13:22:22 2009
• Your 2 cents was worth 2 dollars - skyslinger, Thu Jan 15 13:37:40 2009
• RE: Can we have an open discussion about - LarM, Thu Jan 15 15:37:11 2009
• They were very PINK striated from head - skyslinger, Thu Jan 15 16:01:09 2009
• RE: Can we have an open discussion about - Paul Hollander, Thu Jan 15 18:25:22 2009
• Paul, the Harlequins are simply a line - skyslinger, Fri Jan 16 00:15:39 2009
• I hope that made any sense at all and - skyslinger, Fri Jan 16 00:22:14 2009
• RE: I hope that made any sense at all and - Paul Hollander, Fri Jan 16 19:44:57 2009
• Me too Paul! I do wish I new more - skyslinger, Sat Jan 17 14:53:39 2009