I am just posting out of personal expereince, I have gone to MANY shows, every single one in my area and some across the country, I am an avid pet store explorer, I love going to pet shops, Time and TIME again I have seen things sold, weither its a Reticulated, Burmese, Alligator, Sulcata...ect..ect.. to people who either had NO experience with reptiles, or people that you knew where down right not good homes for these reptiles.

I feel this hobby has gotten to the point where we that are serious about herpetoculture need to start cracking down on our peers to do what is right, not just hand over an animal and get cash for it. I have seen it time and time again and it sickens me, and will ultimatley be the down fall of this hobby.

The Chat the Mr.McCurley is doing I think is long over due, I am glad he has stepped up to the plate and grabbed the bull by the horns. I have seen time and time again Burmese Pythons being sold to people with no questions asked, when I purchased mine I wasn't asked a SINGLE thing, I was given a Paypal account number, and I paid and the snake was shipped to me the next day....This happens time and time again, and I personally feel there are Far to many people who currently own large constrictors that shouldn't even be allowed to keep anything let alone a Burmese or Retic.

I am just posting out of personal expereince, The way I look at it, is I would rather peer pressure and push fellow herpetoculturists to do something about this from the "inside" or face the cold hard reality that if things continue the way they are, it will be controled by outside forces (Government).

Why do you think Mr.McCurley is doing this chat? I fully understand the idea of "Lets stand together and fight" but I cannot support a little nitche of herpetoculture if that little nitche doesn not support herpetoculture, if that makes scense to you. I want those working with the "Big 5" to be more proactive about the species they are working with, and what your doing is great, now push your peers to do the same thing your doing.

When your say "I am barking up the wrong tree" I feel I am barking up the right one...I post these things in Retic and Burmese forums in hopes that people might wake up and take back this hobby...Like I said, The things I have seen is what is pushing me to make these posts...I can write a novel with past expereinces that have pushed me to think the way I do...

Don't you think it would be a good idea to push fellow herpetoculturists to do the things outlined in Mr.McCurley's Chat?

Friday, February 27

Kevin Mc Curley
The ethics of breeding and selling large constrictors
Friday, February 27, from 9-11 PM Eastern, in the kingsnake.com chat room
Kevin Mc Curley, the mastermind behind the morphs that NERD creates, is going to join us for a 2 hour chat discussing judging your clientele, sale responsibility to areas where you may not know the laws, possible environmental impact of released animals,support post-sale, and what your rights are a breeder/seller to deny sale if you see fit -- topics that hit home for many owners and keepers as we face possible federal restrictions on our ownership.

Everyone's expereince is different, but from my expreince this chat is LONG overdue, and this "Nitche" of Herpetoculture needs a wake up call, and needs to seriously evalute how they do things. Now I am not saying all people involved are like this, but I do think and see quite a few of them, more in this nitche than any other. All we can do is push each other to do whats best for his hobby, and if that means ruffling a few feather to make sure everyone pushes each other to do whats best then so be it. I will play devils advocate and be the bad guy...if that helps get the message across then so be it.

We created this hobby, I think we should police it, not the government...peer pressure is a b1tch...lol
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Executive Reptiles
Amanda Kingsbury & David Kendrick
www.executivereptiles.com

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