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chuckpb
at Fri Apr 3 17:59:52 2009 [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by chuckpb ]
Hi,
Just want to respond to some of Robyn’s post…
“Doing a chargeback on your card to try and extort the vet fees that weren't agreed upon is not even close to ethical. What an odd world some people live in.”
Sending an unhealthy dragon after receiving full payment (healthy cash) is unethical. Assuming she didn’t know that she sent a sick dragon.., doing nothing as a seller after she was told that the dragon she sent was sick and offering no resolution is irresponsible. As I said, I recognize my miscalculation when I informed her about my plan of going to the vet, and I am willing to lose that amount, but for me to shoulder shipping so she could receive her dragon back is absurd. Being a responsible breeder, if the buyer told you the first day that there was something wrong with the dragon, what would you say or do? Shouldn’t you tell your buyer that you are willing to replace it or refund the money back? Would you let your buyer shoulder shipping expenses back to you when in fact you were the one who sent out the sick dragon, when the buyer paid you to send him a healthy one? If I ever file a claim or chargeback, it is because I received a sick animal (just like receiving damaged merchandise)…and not to extort her for the vet fees.
“You way overpaid for the animal that was your ignorance (lacking the knowledge).”
Before I went out to the market of buying this dragon, I knew what I was looking for...I knew what I wanted. I was looking for a FEMALE RED HYPO, close to breeding age, with no flaws, virgin or bred only once and produced by a reputable breeder. One that I could pair up with my Blood/Allen Male. I have 8 female dragons, but none would make the match that I prefer for the project I was thinking of. I knew I wasn’t looking for an outcross of so many different bloodlines. Since I have a special male, I just thought that I should get him a special female. I’m sure he will hump on any of my current female dragons, but I’m not here for mass production.., not here for profit…I’m here for the passion of breeding animals and hoping that I could produce a special morph in the future.
I didn’t want to get a 6 week old from Dachiu, because I don’t want to wait for more than a year, and the Male dragon waiting is already over a year old. This female dragon popped out after waiting and searching ads and website for 2 months, and I thought that this would be a great buy for me. It appeared that I overpaid it, because I received an unhealthy dragon. But if I received a healthy one, then I don’t think that it was overpriced. Whether an item for sale is overpriced or not is a perception thing. You don’t tell an art collector paying $50,000 for a Picasso print that the item is overpriced, just because you value it differently than he does. For that collector, what is important to him is his opinion and his perception of the item’s value.
A 6 week old Cawley red Hypo from Dachiu ranges from $150-195, depending on coloration and size. Say I buy a $195 female (or $200 for purposes of discussion) and give it you so you could take care of it and feed it for 1 year at your own expense, and then I come back after a year…Would you allow me just to pay you $100 so I can have the dragon? That will make the total cost of the dragon $300…$100 lower than what I paid this seller. Is that the correct price for the said dragon?
I may be just a year old in breeding dragons, but I have 15 years experience in breeding purebred dogs and game fowls (since cockfighting is legal where I came from). I also had the chance to live with an uncle who bred race horses when he was a lot younger. So, I’m not new to animal breeding…I know when the price of a stock is just fair. If I feel an animal is overpriced and if I don’t need it badly for my breeding, I don’t haggle..,I just ask for the final price and just walk away if I don’t get it to the price I want. I give that respect to the breeder who took time and effort to take care of the animal. If there is something that I am ignorant with…that is low-balling…I don’t do that…out of respect to the other person. When I got a Yellow Italian Leatherback from Josh last year and he gave me a $100 cut on the final tab, I rejoiced…I was so happy because I knew I got a great deal at $500. He was the one who invested his time and passion to improve the morph of the animal I bought, and I am just reaping the rewards of his work by paying the price tag.
If anybody could show me a lead to a 12-14 month old flawless and healthy Red Hypo female (either Cawley Red, Satyrday Red, or Allen Red) that came from Dachiu, Phantom, Alpha, or Bloodbank, at a $300 price range at this time, I would buy that in a heartbeat! (but I only need 1 right now). Of course, the price would be affected in a few months because of the influx of supply.
As for the seller…I gave her 2 choices…Either she sends me a full refund + shipping fee so I can send her the dragon back ( I lose the vet fees, she loses 2x the shipping fee…that’s the lesson for my “ignorance” and her lesson for sending a sick dragon) OR she reimburses me for $150 as a discount on the original price for shipping me a sick dragon. I may possibly lose the dragon if the dragon doesn’t recover, but so be it. If she doesn’t agree to any of these, then I would file a claim/charge back for receiving a sick reptile, and would disclose the name of the seller NOT PUBLICLY, but only to those who are interested. I may lose the claim, but at least I fought for what is due to me. This is not about the money, I can easily earn that… this is about principles.
While I understand that I should learn a lesson in this transaction…I believe it is also just right to give irresponsible sellers/breeders a lesson. No one should get a free ride. Breeders/Sellers should be ethical and responsible with their dealings…and that should be non-negotiable.
Ty - chuckpb
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RE: Need ur suggestions pls, long post sry - chuckpb, Fri Apr 3 17:59:52 2009
