return to main index

  market - home
follow us on facebook follow us on twitter link to us on LinkedIn
Click for ZooMed  
Click for 65% off Shipping with Reptiles 2 You
Locate a business by name: click to list your business
search the classifieds. buy an account
events by zip code list an event
Search the forums             Search in:
News & Events: The battle for survival for the Ibiza wall lizards . . . . . . . . . .  Bringing back the Horned Lizard . . . . . . . . . .  UGA Study shows pathogens threaten snakes survival in Southern US . . . . . . . . . .  First time Sea Turtle nesting in Florida . . . . . . . . . .  New regulations on Native Species for Wisconsin Keepers . . . . . . . . . .  Heavy Metal Scorpion . . . . . . . . . .  How a python change the course of Attenbourgh's life . . . . . . . . . .  Make good choices . . . . . . . . . .  Burmese found on roadside in Wisconsin raises issues . . . . . . . . . .  Happy Earth Day . . . . . . . . . .  Kingsnake Merch Store . . . . . . . . . .  Kingsnake returns to Tinley . . . . . . . . . .  kingsnake.com joins Monitor Brains! . . . . . . . . . .  Sneak Peek . . . . . . . . . .  Amphibian gut bacteria showing promise in cancer research . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day . . . . . . . . . .  Meet The Baroness - The world's longest snake . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day . . . . . . . . . .  Updates? . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day . . . . . . . . . .  The mechanics behind the viper strike . . . . . . . . . .  Snakes on a Train? . . . . . . . . . .  Tracking the animals in the Florida Everglades - Meet the Croc Docs . . . . . . . . . .  Reintroduction attempts give San Francisco Garter a second chance . . . . . . . . . .  Promoting Reptiles is Our Jam Man . . . . . . . . . .  Origins of Chytrid discovered . . . . . . . . . .  Wisdom Wednesday - The Forums - The water is warm... Come on in! . . . . . . . . . .  Kingsnake.com Past, Present and Future . . . . . . . . . .  IHS Celebrates 50 years . . . . . . . . . .  Bay Area Herpetological Society Meeting - June 26, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Tinley NARBC June - Jun 27-28 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  DFW Herp Society Meeting - June 27, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Greater Cincinnati Herp Society Meeting - July 01, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Reptile Super Show & LA Pet Fair - July 11-12 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  PACNWRS - Jul. 11-12, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Colorado Herp Society Meeting - July 18, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Chicago Herpetological Society Meeting - July 19, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Bay Area Herpetological Society Meeting - July 24, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  DFW Herp Society Meeting - July 25, 2026 . . . . . . . . . . 

fry

[ Login ] [ User Prefs ] [ Search Forums ] [ Back to Main Page ] [ Back to Herp Law Center & Forum ]

Posted by: obeligz at Fri May 1 18:08:08 2009   [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by obeligz ]  
   

Fry?



Why fry falcons?

" Is there a huge movement by special interests to ban ownership of falcons? "

Actually I think there is, some of the proponents imclude;



Aresco and company in Florida, Fitzgerald and company in Texas, Rodda and company USGS, Snow and company south Florida, NSF, Defenders of Wildlife, Ken Dodd and HSUS, Box Turtle Partnership, The Nature Conservancy, AZA, PARC (Model Herp Regs and many members), Jim Staurt NMG&F, Sean Barry Cali somewhere, Bruce Bury northwest, PETA, RSPCA (UK), WSPA(Europe), Pro Wildlife(Germany), Dyrevernalliansen (Norway), ENDCAP (Europe) and many more, each country has a bunch of them. Problem is they all cooperate to wreck havoc in national and international legislation, they are kinda like larvae of rhino beetles, chewing tunnels through the ethics of the law.



I think the essence of self regulation is happening right here in this thread, in other forums on kingsnake and on other reptile sites. Self regulation is also baked into most of the herpetological litterature.

Even though reptiles illegal in Norway, there is still a significant degree of self regulation.

You canīt just sell your offspring to any idiot because if he gets caught keeping illegal reptiles, and he rats you out, then you get caught and the whole making of money backfires to the point where all your herps gets confiscated and frozen alive (that is the equivalent of burning mammals alive), and you get a hefty fine, and you are ridiculed in the newspaper, if you live in a small town everyone in town will be talking about you and your whole family behind your backs.

Therefore over the course of friendly debate on reptile forums we have generally come in agreement of code of conduct and through norwegian litterature we define the minimum standards. Since we are all criminals in the eyes of society we cannot rely on police when problems arise. Last year we had a funny guy who threatened to report to the authority several other terrarium folks. This created a tension for several days, no one really wanted to harm the guy but people also felt such threats could not be tolerated. If people got the impression that turning in your fellow reptile keeper can be toerated in our reptile comminity, it wiyld bean the death of thousands and thousands of animals every year. In the end he situation was resolved that time, we were able to talk him to reason. Had he ratted out up to 30 reptile owners, as he claimed, I fear someone would have list his temper and cracked his head open, and everything would have gotten much worse.

I think self regulation also comes through the voice of all participants in a forum, they either inspire someone to answer them or sometimes contemplate on how things should be.



For instance, do you believe that animals have rights?





Regards

oby


   

[ Show Entire Thread ]


>> Next Message:  well.. - obeligz, Sat May 2 16:18:47 2009

<< Previous Message:  RE: Why?? - natsamjosh, Fri May 1 16:40:20 2009

Click for 65% off Shipping with Reptiles 2 You Click here to visit Classifieds Click to visit Classifieds
KINGSNAKE.COM

Enjoy all our content free of charge with a user account that gives you full access to every feature. For added visibility, paid options are available - post in our Classifieds, showcase your business with Banner Ads or a Directory listing, promote reptile events, and more.

Quick Links
Community
Legal & Safety
Support

Register for free ✓ Sign up!

Kingsnake.com ® is a registered trademark © 1997-