I find OHI´s thoughts on herpetocultural dynamics very interesting.

I also believe in the 5 rights in responsible herpetoculture,



The right to harvest in a responsible manner, the right to responsible bioculture, the right to free choice of companionship, the right to responsible transport and the right to responsible commerce in live or dead animals.



We are few, very few, but there is an increasing feeling of unrest amongst animal friends around us and often people and even governments will listen to us if we are able to provide propper arguments in sufficient force.

On a small note we have won a big victory but in the grand scale of things we are loosing out little by little across the globe and this has been going on for some time.



I think you may win over HR669 in the end, if you are persistent, but in the end, at present it seems to me like we are fighting a loosing battle.



Animal rights organizations are terrorizing animal keepers across the globe. In the US, AR organizations are very large, and have a lot of money, but AR organizations across the globe have lots of money. Global-size the HR669 battle and PIJAC stands out in a Davids battle with the Goliaths of the modern world.



"Most smuggled animals are sold in private trade and at street

markets. "



"AB 1122 is authored by Assembly Member Ted Lieu (D-Torrance) d co-sponsored by the State Humane Association of California."

- Says the California Animal Association

http://www.californiaanimalassociation.com/bills/AB1122_2009.html



Member Organizations

ASPCA

Animal Place

Born Free USA United with API

Food Empowerment Project

The Humane Society of the United States

League of Humane Voters

Orange County People for Animals

The Paw Project

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals

San Diego Animal Advocates

United Animal Nations



POW!

That´s a powerful bunch of allies! I wonder if Californian herpetoculturists feel pressured sometimes..



Check out their "Bills Affecting Companion Animals" section, to long to copy in here.. I suspect many of them have one or more significant elements of injustice.



Bills bills.html

http://www.californiaanimalassociation.com/bills/bills.html



I think is the reptile nation unites again in response to AR 1122, then perhaps give the California Animal Association a piece of your mind.

Perhaps make a statement, be unpredictable, once in a while, go for the roots instead of the bills of AR organizations. If a bad piece of legislation is a big problem, then logically, the AR organizations are the root of that problem, the fault lies not only in the politicians passing the laws or the voting peoples.



Try writing them a letter, will you get a response at all or will the response be silence?

If you call them, will they say in your face that you are a criminal? Would they care to share their wisdom with the reptile nation, reptile radio and the global herpetocultural community?

Would they care to front the reptile nation in the newspapers or is it possible for some one to bring a cam and visit them in person in peace at their office for an interview?

They are gathering a mountain of money under pretense of "Providing expertise on a wide range of animal protection issues to legislators, aides, department officials and others".

Can they document that money is all spent on a good purposes? They need to hear from you guys, call them personally, get involved personally, talk nicely to them and

and trust that the fellow californians will back you up when the time comes.



I think it would be wise of us to make them aware that we are unpredictable and not to be underestimated. Perhaps we should stop talking [bleep] behind the back of CAA and confront them directly?

Start posing questions and the AR grow uncertain, questions take some time to compute and often AR organizations will have a pile of bones in their closet. We all should thru sniffing around a lil, or at least pretend to bluff to some degree.

Sow a tiny seed of uncertainty in an AR organization and you may see it grow into a moral tree of fright.



perhaps you have read before but, bears re-posting now and then;



Animal Rights & the Future of the Pet Industry



By Chris Newman



- http://www.rexano.org/ARandFutureofPetIndustryFrame.htm



"Chris was the publisher of the Reptilian magazine, the UK’s first specialist reptile & amphibian publication, from 1991 to 2003. He is currently the chairman of the Federation of British Herpetologists and the Federation of Companion Animal Societies. He is consultant to the Reptile and Exotic Pet Trade Association & advisor to the Pet Care Trust and National Association of Private Animals Keepers on herpetological (reptile & amphibian) issues, as well as a consultant to the fresh produce (fruit) industry on arachnological and herpetological pests. He has also acted in an advisory capacity for Customs and Excise, the police and Local Authorities. He has had numerous articles and papers published, both in journals and magazines, as well as authoring several books on the subject of reptiles."



When things calm a bit down around us, maybe Andrew should meet with Chris on reptile radio if they can find the time.. they are both very very busy these days I expect..



Regards

oby









doublesnip



Letters to the Editor

SNIP



Malonas comparisons odious

I abhor Mr. Malonas comparison of human slavery to animal ownership and/or companionship. Civil rights is not a suitable argument in regard to animals.

His ideals seem egalitarian in nature and are textbook animal-rights oriented. Our readers may have missed this when he referenced the writings of Gary Francione and Peter Singer, two well known animal rights philosophers. Singer's book, "Animal Liberation" is the widely regarded by Animal Rights activists as a "Bible."

Singer, hard utilitarian- minded, debated Judge Richard Posner of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit with a very similar argument as Mr. Malonas, in 2001 at Slate Magazine, saying that formerly unequal rights for gays, women and oppressed races were justified using the same set of intuitions.

Posner responded that equality in civil rights did not occur due to ethical arguments and that there was no basis for inequality based on any of those facts. He went on to say that facts, not ethical arguments, will drive equality and that animals must be considered property, legally, in order for us to have pets.

Of course the whole concept of owning any kind of pets is against the animal rights movement's agenda. They will not advertise this publicly as it would lessen monetary donations by well-meaning people who want to help animals but have no concept that they are helping take animals out of our lives.

Their agenda is to prohibit rodeos, horse racing, circuses, hunting, life-saving medical research using animals, raising of livestock for food, petting zoos, marine parks, breeding of purebred pets, any use of animals for industry, entertainment, sport or recreation and companionship.

The animal rights movement does have an extremist branch. ALF, Animal Liberation Front, is an example. In 2005 the U.S. Department of Homeland Security added them to its list of domestic terrorist threats. Just this week, an American animal rights activist, Daniel Andreas, San Diego, became the first "domestic terrorist" to be added to the FBI's "most wanted" terrorist list.

My animals are members of my family and the very idea that there are extremists out there who threaten members of my family is overwhelming. I maintain my stance and still hold hope that Nevadans have enough info needed to make well-informed decisions regarding law and their pets. It is also our jobs as constituents to keep our representatives abreast of all relevant information regarding any type of legislation that special interest groups try to slip under the radar.

RHONDA KIKER

Reno

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