Adam,

I do Pituophis with Phil Ferkel, who knows Bill quite well. The big female below is as I recall him telling, one of the originals from your breeding, I believe. Unfortunately, we lost her a few years ago, but we still have some offspring that are 2 generations down from her that still show some resemblance(they actually look more like her than the direct offspring did, which were outcrossed, of course). The pics of them are old and they are much bigger/prettier now, but you get the idea. The one in the third pic is especially weird - it has less of the orange, but a very washed out "hypo" like look to it (the color is bad in that pic b/c the flash wasn't working that day). I will have to get some more pics of these and of another that is down from that old breeding.

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