Ernie,



>>No, the only time there's legitimate habitat conservation is when, the habitat ether has nothing to offer in terms of viable commodity's or the extraction of these commodity's is not feasible. Outside of that it’s all for sale.



I agree and you are right they are both basically “commodities” of exchange that are traded amongst the citizens…It just depends which segment of society does the exchanging and who “profits” from the exchange. In the free society of capitalism, the people effectively decide on the exchange rate for the commodity...With their own rules. Under their view of things (socialism), these decisions are not made by the people…And this, to me is the fundamental problem with the agenda of HR-669, the ESA, etc. The “who” that is making the rules is the government and the “special interests” operating behind the scenes (or in front as an “issue advocate” with tax-exempt, non-profit status as a 501(c)(3) organization-infomercials, etc)…



So here is the fundamental conflict as I see it…Who profits from the established arena of the "commodity" here? On one side it’s the government & its GSE organizations (socialism) and on the other, it’s the people (capitalism). In other words, in their world of regulation, these profits are going to the “DOT-ORG’s” which in turn are partially given to the politicians in the form of all kinds of “contributions”.



What’s funny about this is to see just how “interchangeable” the parts are between the ORG’s and the government…Retire from the government & go work for a ORG for a few years…Then go back to the government with promotion to higher government office…Then back to the ORG’s. For example, the Alliance for Climate Protection (a DOT-ORG) was founded by Al Gore in 2006 as a “single” issue organization regarding global climate change. It’s President was a lady by the name of Cathy Zoi…Who is the President’s nominee an Assistant Secretary for Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy, DOE…Before she worked for the DOT-ORG, she worked for the government (USEPA)…



>>The only agenda that drives a bill like HR 669 is a business agenda. Some people sell animals some people sell animal rights. It’s about using an available commodity. Animal rights and conservation are exploitable commodity's.



>>There's not a government in the world that gives a crap about endangered species, eco systems etc. any talk about that inevitably leads back to someone making a buck. Look at the country's with the strictest wildlife laws and you will find the most endangered species in the world openly for sale in the market. The only time anyone says anything is a when one of these phony conservation groups show up with a TV camera. These groups make fund raising infomercials on how their fighting the illegal wildlife trade. The reality is nothing is being done.



Agreed man, an “endangered species” is nothing more than a propaganda ploy to exchange HUGE sums of money under the "commodity" of endangered species…Some of these philanthropic organizations (behind the DOT-ORG's) have assets in the BILLIONS of dollars and they “spend” it on an agenda of socialism and control both domestically and internationally…



While we’ve been busy trying to earn a living, they’ve been working on this "commodity" exchange for DECADES…And in the end, it’s just about money…For all of their grandiose schemes, plans and what not, it's just about money...What a bunch of hypocrites!



Later,

Jim.



PS: They have done some good in the world but, measured against what they are doing, how they are doing it and what the end game is…It doesn’t amount to freedom in my opinion.


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