Ernie,



>>No, the only time there's legitimate habitat conservation is when, the habitat ether has nothing to offer in terms of viable commodities or the extraction of these commodities is not feasible. Outside of that it’s all for sale.



OK, but who decides the terms and guidelines of the sale of said “commodities”? Under a free market capitalism I agree with you but, that is not the case today as a result of a paradigm shift that has been a gradual and subtle change is this philosophy because of two (possibly more) reasons. One is simply the power of politics (green movement) under the current "propaganda" of the politics of change. The other is money (mother’s milk of politics).



In free market capitalism, it is the private “owner” (citizen or business) that makes the decision regarding the ultimate “use” of the “commodity” but, with government socialism (the green movement agenda), it is the government that makes the decision(s).



Since the advent of NEPA (National Environmental Policy Act) and the ESA (Endangered Species Act), it is the government, and it’s GSE and NGO “stakeholders”, have become increasingly involved in this process in an attempt to be the “decision maker” regarding the use of “commodities”. Regarding the money, and this is key, who ultimately makes the money (benefits from the sale of the commodity)? With the free market, it is the private citizen or business but with the new green movement agenda, it is the government (and “stakeholders”) that are in the profit business under the guise of saving a Jaguar, Ocelot, etc…



>>The only agenda that drives a bill like HR 669 is a business agenda. Some people sell animals some people sell animal rights. It’s about using an available commodity. Animal rights and conservation are exploitable commodities.



I agree with you here…It is a business agenda but what is not being discussed is the “who” that makes the decision regarding the "commodity" and "who" that makes the profit. Under the green movement, they will make their "share" of money (separate from the taxes that are already imbedded anyway) using “propaganda” to justify this and “misinformation” to prevent even a modest discussion of what’s going on by the public.



Rather, we are being sold (and have been) something that if we really knew about it, would be rejected…Case in point, go read the Defenders of Wildlife’s article (PDF) entitled, “Buying, Selling, and Trading Biodiversity in Washington: A Bazaar for Biodiversity” by Bartholomew McQuire Martin, February 2007…In this article, you’ll read exactly what I’m talking about.



Here, it will be the government (and/or sanctioned “stakeholder”) that will make the decision at EVERY STEP OF THE PROCESS of the sale of said “commodities” (the USEPA is the authority in Mr. Martin’s article) and the profit is the “selling/exchange” of credits using a “mitigation bank” (also referred to as a “green bank”)…Can you say “carbon credits”? This is a must read article because in it, they recognize the “resistance” of the people to accept the enforcement of regulations to implement the “green movement” agenda…If this new "market based" idea of Mr. Martin becomes the law of the land, then it will be the government deciding on the use of the land (not the private owner)and deciding on the "mitigation" to restore the land once the "commodity" has been extracted...If it is even allowed to occur in the first place. Welcome to the United Socialist States of America (USSA)..Imagine that?



This is nothing more than “repackaging” via propaganda to implement an agenda of control of private lands…Where they recognize MOST of all the species is actually located and thus, outside of government control with immense resistance in courts (which costs the government money) by lawsuits filed by private citizens and businesses…



The bottom line here is, this is one of the green movement’s agenda and one of the reasons for HR-669, climate change, biodiversity, etc…IMO, they are ALL connected and inseparable. Remember what Al Gore proposed as a "mitigation" of the use of carbon fossil fuels? It was carbon credits and it is the same priciple with the "green bank" proposal in Mr. Martin's article.



The significance that they are ALL connected is that the green movement seeks the sequestration of carbon in the land and this WILL occur in Mr. Martin's proposal and is the stated objective of the green movement but, is not being discussed in the public domain for debate.



If you go and research HR-1698, "The Green Bank Act of 2009" sponsored by Rep. Chris Van Hollen (with cosponsors Del. Madeleine Bordallo and Rep. Gabrielle Giffords - both of HR-669 fame) that was proposed on March 25, 2009 that will CREATE THE "GREEN BANK OF AMERICA"...They are ALL (government, stakeholders and decision makers) invested ALL of this whether it's HR-669, reauthorization of the ESA, climate change, biodiversity, etc. They are not separate issues, they are ALL connected as part of the green movement driven by power and money.



Powerful (and very well funded) "special interests" are invested in ALL of this agenda and some politicians are listening to them to provide "legislative cover" for what's going on (without our knowledge) and then selling it to us with infomercials and glossy photos of eagles in the wild.



>>There's not a government in the world that gives a crap about endangered species, eco systems etc. any talk about that inevitably leads back to someone making a buck. Look at the countries with the strictest wildlife laws and you will find the most endangered species in the world openly for sale in the market. The only time anyone says anything is a when one of these phony conservation groups show up with a TV camera. These groups make fund raising infomercials on how their fighting the illegal wildlife trade. The reality is nothing is being done.



I agree with you regarding the first part of this but, with the last sentence, I disagree. They are doing something about this but, it is nothing that most of would want to have happen here in the US if we really knew about it…

Later,


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CSRAJim

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