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lbenton
at Thu Aug 27 09:28:00 2009 [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by lbenton ]
>>>>I would really like to know what is cooked into the hybrids to make them look melanistic, people have said Mexican Black Kings, but they in a sense are just melanistic desert kings and show some hint of that pattern as juveniles, or the "best ones" that are more jet black still tend to have light freckles on the chin and along the belly, at least as hatchlings.
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>>Lance...I agree with you 200%....lol
>>Coincidentally I have been having this same conversation / argument with a few Mexicana enthusiasts lately....
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>>The ones I saw DEFINITELY had Melanistic Thayeri in them for the Melanism....I was referring to the hybridization of the Amel gene from Ruthveni....
>>Also I am one who thinks that there was no such thing as a hybrid black thayeri because there is no way to make the cross without residual Splendida pattern.....It would take lots of generations to outcross that 'look'.....WHY BOTHER?
>>Now there ARE Hybrid Melanistic thayeri due to hybridizers wanting to produce solid white amelanistic thayeri ....Amel mels....Blizzards in other kingsnakes.....
>>But this cross is from Ruthveni for the amel gene...
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>>It upsets me....nothing is sacred anymore.
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>>John Lassiter
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>>"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."
I would love to hear some other insights and musings on this subject. There is such an air of distrust for the melanistic thayeri now because of the hybrids that have leaked into the breeding colonies of breeders wanting to work with "pure" (whatever that is any more) thayeri.
It looks like you and I agree that the hybrids were not made in an effort to make black thayeri, but instead to make color or pattern morphs. It just so happens that some black thayeri could have been used upstream for one reason or another. But in that case they are no more suspect of being a hybrid than anything else waving a thayeri flag these days.
Get those enthusiest to chime in with anything they have or know, in fact I would love to see some known hybrid pictures of a thayeri to MBK (or any other common king), 50/50 first generation, 75/25 second generation and so on. It would take a good 8-9 years to get more down the line than that and with the effort and time invested you could have a boat load of just plain on melanistic thayeri by then.
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Then they should chime in... - lbenton, Thu Aug 27 09:28:00 2009