And while most of the LA pines on the market have come from those guys you listed...there are still others who have there own stock of wild caught LA pines who just didn't want the "publicity". Because of the "profit motive" behind this, many of the established breeders brought questions or doubt on any other stock then there own, when in fact they had no idea nor clue concerning that other stock. I believe (IMHO) they brought a lot of this "negativity" concerning LA pines upon themselves. J. Ginter believes that there are more LA Pines then hybrids and Terry V. just the opposite. I respect both mens opinions. Simply fact is...this is a hobby forum, not a science forum. I can't scientifically prove that my LA pines are "pure"...I'll take Ginters word that they are, who takes Terry's words that they are...and if I sell them...they are going to be sold as LA pines at LA pine prices. So, don't ask me if I can prove it...no I can't....but I like them anyway!!!

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