"Can you please post a link to a thread with a pic of a LA Pine as red as any one of the pics of Kingsville Reds at the below link. http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&hl=en&sa=1&q=kingsville red bullsnake&aq=f&oq=&aqi=&start=0"

I think you know exactly which LA Pines I was refering to, as I commented on them before. I remember calling them "hybrid" which, admittedly (there you have it), I cannot prove either. Anyway, the link points to pictures of linebred Kingsville Bullsnakes, selectively bred for high amounts of red pigment. Obviously, your LA Pines aren't quite as red as these. I was refering to normal Kingsville Bulls. Anyway, I'm willing to change position on this, with all this new (albeit biased and unverifiable) information brought to the table recently. Certainly, I can see you made quite an effort to ensure the genetic background of your animals. Maybe I'm just too demanding. After all, it's just a hobby.

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• MORPHS - Boneyard, Thu Oct 8 16:16:41 2009
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