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RE: They already are.

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Posted by: Rextiles at Fri Oct 16 23:08:20 2009   [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by Rextiles ]  
   

Good post Rex!!



Thanks. You can call me Troy as I haven't been called Rex since I was in the army over 10 years ago.



I do believe there are animals from this bloodline floating around and many of them probably are outside the USA. But if they are being produced, I highly doubt many of us will ever know about them.



Well, if they are being produced outside of the US, I see no reason why we wouldn't ever find out about them. The reptile community in Europe seems to be growing at a phenomenal rate and if there were leucistics produced there, I highly doubt they would fear any retribution from the US Federal Government.



I don't think anyone in there right mind would post them on kingsnake.com, or offer them to the general public in any way.



Well, if it were a non-US seller, again, I don't think they would have anything to worry about. But if it were a US buyer on the hand...that's when it could get very interesting.



I guess my whole frame of mind is, when do the genetics no longer belong to the state of Colorado suggesting that they had those rights in the first place. My understanding is that it is legal to own up to 2 wild caught animals. What if one of those animals were sold out of state. Is it legal to do so? If so, then when does the state of Colorado no longer have any legal rights or jurisdiction over that specific animal? Let's hypothetically say that by some miracle someone legally re-captures and sells the original het Leucistic female out of state? Does the state have any recourse considering if it were indeed legal to sell across state borders considering proper shipping methods according to the Lacy act?



I believe they would be hard pressed to actually "prove" one way or another although our government and judicial system is often tainted that they don't have to "prove" anything to get a conviction. But still, that's when it's made public and you get the entire reptile community and every available legal group such as PIJAC involved. If the power of the reptile community has the ability to postpone or alter state laws regarding large animals of concern (which is a very valid issue and substantial problem) such as the legislature that keeps getting reintroduced in Florida, then I don't see why this whole leucistic hognose thing would be such a big deal should enough people get involved in helping to overturn such ignorant laws.




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