you know i have heard them reffered to the poor mans pewter but i still love them!!!!!!! they are just awesome in my opinion.
i have 1.1 het reds from jim at jds reptiles and his stock originates from ralph davis. i am planning on trying my male with a female pastel this year and the female het red if she can get to size. cant wait for my little red axan pastel spiders a few years down the road.
adam jeffery
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" a.k.a. farfrumugen "
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

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