Thank you'll for the information. If they are as rare as you say (gibsoni), I probably will not be able to afford them in 2010! lol Where do you find your information on them? I can't seem to find anything really substantial information wise about them.

Miller

>>good question.......
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>>There is some pretty good info indicating that they are the same species with a distinction at the subspecies level.... think bull snake and sonoran gophersnake.
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>>I know that there is a pair of them in Europe... Germany I believe, and we are working with 1.2 of them with Guatemala locality. (think good thoughts and maybe there will be offspring available in 2010!!!!)
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>>Given the small sample size of these guys and the nominant form for that matter I can not really make anything but generalizations on how they differ. Most of the literature suggests that they differ via geographic distribution, but also gibson's line-necked pinesnakes tend to have dashed dorsal neck lines where as the nominant form have solid neck lines.......
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>>the ones I have seen have a nice pale chocolate ground color. A fellow I know who sees them often described seeing a road killed adult that had a striking burnt orange ground color.... unfortunately that was not the norm....
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>>here is am image of a P.l.gibsoni
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1.1 Pituophis lineaticollis lineaticollis
1.1 Black Pine
1.0 Kankakee Bull Snakes
1.2 Still Water Hypos
0.0.1 Possibly stillwater x Red Bull
2.2 N. Pinesnake
1.0 Pituophis mutt
1.0 Florida King
1.1 Eastern Kings
1.1 Black Milksnake
0.0.1 Plains Garter
1.0 Chow Chow(2003 Papi)
0.1 Cat(Shug

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