All good info and well taken.

Please let me clarify, any intent I might have toward collecting would be held in accord with sound ethics. I have no interest in raping the place. It would just be nice to get a few quality animals and it is frustrating that the laws have to operate as they do.

Please excuse me for insinuating that all Mexican officials are corrupt. It was an irresponsible suggestion. As for actually bribing anyone, that would of course be unethical and in reality I would never actually try it, just not my M.O. Aside from opening the door to some who might do great harm, the last thing I want is to wind up in a third world prison.

I would seriously be interested in forming an expedition (collecting or pics only) as long as my work situation whenever permits it.

As for the pic, gibsoni I presume? Beatiful animal!!!

Rambling and ranting? Ha! Good of you to take the time. I'm sure there are lots of newbies who, like I, use these forums to learn about the hobby and form their herp ethics. The knowledge and wisdom of longtime keepers/breeders is invaluable to us.

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