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at Sat Feb 13 19:23:06 2010 [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by WALL2WALLREPTILE ]
Hello Steve,
I am working with several different Coco-Complex (dark morph) animals.
Some lines have proven to be co-dom and other have proven out as recessives. I have some of each.
I will politely disagree with the comment that Tosha made about the de-hydrated clutches throwing hyper-melanistic babies. (Although, I am sure she did likely hear that information.)
Rather the scenario may be more accurately described in this way...
Some lines of hyper-melanistic ball pythons just tend to have smaller babies.
(It is true that dehydrated eggs can produce small babies....but the dehydration does not seem to have an affect on the pigmentation of the snakes involved....instead, anomalies and genetically inherited traits are what is responsible responsible for these colors.)
Some examples would include the "Ebony" ball pythons.
(Which are actually a super chocolate/super sable or super granite type morph)
The Ebony may or may not have yellow belly influence.
This snake was originally produced by Amir.
He bred a male yellow belly to sable/granite looking female.
As luck would have it...the male yellow belly was more than just a yellow belly...it was a sable/granite AND yellow belly.
I am not sure if the Yellow belly trait is actually even really involved in the Ebony. But the sable/granite type genes carried by both snakes certainly were compatible. And I suspect the Ebony to be the(homozygous)super form of that pairing.
Everyone who I have talked to who has produced ebonies...as well as some very similar looking snakes...have hatched rather small babies...regardless of the humidity levels.
This has certainly been the case for me.
One thing worth noting...the babies tend to be very hardy...they usually grow quickly and easily catch up with (or even grow faster than) other baby ball pythons.
Their growth rates remind me of the growth rates of Spider Ball Pythons....fast and eager to feed!
I like to refer to the grouping of these darker ball pythons as the Coco-Complex.
...similar to the Lesser Complex...and the similar relationships Between Cinnys, Black Pastels and Het Red Axanthics/Lori Balls etc.
Some dark or granite type animals can be quite subtle, yet they still prove out....these are usually co-doms. Perhaps the snakes you bred are subtle gene carriers?
The recessive dark morphs that I have been working with are fairly obvious, and they have produced normal sized babies.
I have also hatched some super granites.
They too were rather runty as hatchlings.
The size does not seem to be affected in the visual het. babies.
But it is certainly noticeable in the homozygeous forms of the co-dominantly inherited genes.
Super Sables, Super Chocolate, Super Granites are all very similar...however they are noticeably different.
They are also usually compatible.
This has been my experience. Hope it helps.
Please feel welcome to give me a call if you like.
Take care,
Harlin Wall - WALL TO WALL REPTILES!
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RE: Genetic Hyper Melanitics? - WALL2WALLREPTILE, Sat Feb 13 19:23:06 2010
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