"Of course they would, since that would be a lie-snakes are a bit more popular than lizards, but nowhere near "90% of the market"-in fact, turtles are actually the most popular herps at the moment....."

The reason I said what I said initially was that the birds not being imported thing gives a false picture. AS I said, it was basically true for parrots. For finch and softbill folks (personally being one of those) importation and wild caught birds are still a very big part of the hobby.

"You're wrong about the fig and hanging parrots-those species (very few, I admit) that were established in 1990 are still available."

I said SOME fig and hanging parrot species. Some have indeed been established.

"The other species you list were vanishingly rare in captivity even back then, and definitely not "established"

I know. And now they are never going to be either. That was the point I was trying to make.

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