About the way they treat animals kind of struck a nerve with me. The Head Gov.Herpetologist in charge of turtle proposals for Chinese turtle Conservation was in the USA a guest of the TSA. He came by my table at the Daytona Expo and asked to take pictures of my Manouria. (by someone else as he did not speak English, and a good thing) NEVER have I had a person disrespected my animal or myself like this. He BATTED the tortoises around for his shot like it was a toy. The tosing and turning over very ruffly got to me when seeing him do it with a smile. The folks at my table GASP when I used some choise America Cuss words about his Mother and grabed the tortoise away from him in an internationaly understood fashion and pointed to the door. It just really struck me as rude for someone invited here for the reason he was. I dont know what made me tell this story but it goes along with what is being said here. And I worked with a confascated turtle shippment to China that Tom mentioned, He is so right it was 4.5 TONS! Not slim Shady with a suecase full. And it has been a daily event sence 1990. And yes they are being funded by America $$ by the TSA who just asked Americans for $35000 to build a glass wall around a enclosure for the last pair of gaint softshell (swinhoei I think) they already paid for, because the visitors were throwing trash in the water! Can you believe it! Vic.....BORN IN THE USA *bs

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