John...my stock came from yours..I think around 2003...and I have often wondered what LA pines look like across their range. I wonder if those towards the west would have more of a bull snake influence while those from the east would have more of a pine snake influence. I did see one in 1984 from south east Texas that a friend had caught and I thought it had more of a pine snake look to it then bull. Interesting subject though.

Dan

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