Amen, amen, amen! I avoid that road like the plague! Like you that time we met, since I had a neophyte w/me I thought I'd give it a try..ten minutes into that "parking lot" was enough to ruin it for me. I'd rather herp solo and get skunked than have to deal w/that circus!

I have figured out they can eat much more than I initially was offering them. I've basically doubled their intake. My juvie males quit on thawed for 2 mos. or so and would only sporadically take live but have since reverted back to thawed.

As with my little group of locality Zonata they are the gems of my collection for sure!

Bill

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