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DMong
at Sat Oct 23 21:29:53 2010 [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by DMong ]
I don't think the so-called whitesided "Everglades" are genuine Everglades at all to be quite honest. I think they are more Yellow rat, but that is also an entirely OTHER can of worms too..LOL! Those are more than likely products of being crossed with the white-sided Black Ratsnake and Yellow Rat, and probably don't have any Everglades at ALL in them more than likely, but that isn't to say that somebody hasn't thrown one in to the mix at some point, after all, that is what many people do now days, throw more ingredients into the pot from some other source..LOL!
And BTW, yes to the other person that suspected the W/S Blacks were also known in the hobby as "licorice" Black Rats, they are indeed.
Now I know for a fact there were GENUINE hypo-xanthic Yellow Rat hets being offered in 1996 by (I think) Gulf Coast Reptiles for $250 bucks each!. Those guys called them something like "anerythristic" Yellow Rats then, because they didn't know the proper term of what pigment cells were being affected at that time, but I knew simply by looking at them then that they were definitely 100% hypo-xanthic(very reduced yellow pigmentation). They were VERY pale, and faded even more down the sides. The only thing that was truly yellow was a little bit of their face and chin area, the rest was a creamy/straw coloration. Those seemed to fade away into the sunset after a while, and I have no idea what ever became of those hets, or the original few homozygous hypoxanthic individuals either, but I don't believe for a second these White-sided animals today are genuine Everglades in the least. They are more than likely The Black-sided trait introduced into Yellows first, then POSSIBLY someone "MIGHT" have tossed glades into the equation later on, but more than likely they are simply more Yellow than any glades being involved whatsoever in my opinion.
Now to the poster that asked about the origin of the hypo Everglades, those are indeed genuine hypomelanistic Everglades Rats that were originated by Bill Love back in right about 1989-90. And were most definitely the genuine article. Problem with MANY things in this hobby anymore is, everybody cant refrain theirselves from crossing everything, and "stealing" genetic traits from totally different ssp of snakes to create a so-called "new" morph..LOL!!.yeah, ....right!
Seems it is getting tougher and tougher every single breeding year to trust some new deal showing up in the herp hobby. That is just one of the many reasons I don't like crosses, or condone the crossing of just about everything out in the hobby now,....with kingsnakes it is getting downright ridiculous too, rats, kings, corns....and so on and so on, it just never stops, and it will only snowball far more. Anyway, I don't look real forward to that aspect of this hobby at all. 
But anyway, the hypo glade's are, or at least DID start out 100% genuine hypomelanistic glades from Bill Love just about exactly 20 years ago.
Jason (Snakesunlimited1) posted this nice pile of hypo Everglades a while back, and these are still 100% Bill Love's nice hypo bloodline from way back. These will change drastically into bright, vivid orange/red snakes as they mature, and look just like the nice example Jeff Cochran has posted in the past. 
regards, ~Doug
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RE: Everglades Rat Snake - DMong, Sat Oct 23 21:29:53 2010