I know Klumpers and Dyers are combatable, I proved that out! I personally think they are the same gene. Just line breed for different looks. While Jack Dyer bred for a patternless look. Michael Klumper breed for more pattern, which means more contrast. That is why they have such different looks. Klumper got his animals from Loyd Lemmky as normals but obviously they where het for Dyers. Jack and Loyd knew each other, California connections. All this is speculation on my part and my opinion.

Gregg Feaster and I had small group of Klumpers imported from Europe. I believe we had the first Klumpers in the states.
In the early 2000s I bought Jack Dyer remaining Dyer colony.

I have mixed Klumpers and Dyers with alot of morphs during the last 10 years and no other combo traits nave be produced yet other then the Dyergates.

If you want we can talk over the phone, I can share all that I know. It maybe easier.

Jason

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