Aaron, I have said no such thing. I have never said that HCU was actively pursuing legislation to ban commercial collection. Never once. You are making things up. It appears that for some strange reason you do not understand what I have been saying. Clear your mind, open your mind and try to comprehend:

Let’s go through this one more time. Your Constitution plainly states you do not support the collection of herps for the purpose of sale. This is counter to the herp industry who does support the wild collection of herps for the purpose of sale. Thus you are selling out the industry by this ONE statement. Do you understand? It is counter to many hobbyists, businesses and dealers who do this and this includes HCU members. It is hypocritical to have this statement in your Constitution while your members are selling wild caught. Do you understand? I haven’t claimed anything. I have proven over and over again that HCU members buy, sell and trade wild caught herps in direct contridiction to your Constitution. I can name names all day long but Kingsnake TOS prevent me from doing that (note to trollers: Read back over the Herp Law and Gray-band forums search OHI). Just that one statement in your Constitution and the actions of your members particpating in this activity is what I have been talking about. Do you understand?

Second your ex-president said on a public forum that HCU supports the White and Black List. The White and Black List is banning agenda. One of your members was deeply involved in outlawing catching, breeding and selling native Texas turtles (mainly box turtles but now they are all banned) which was included in the White and Black List regulation. This is banning agenda. And this same person bought wild caught snakes from a commercial collector and then went before the TPWD commission and bad mouthed commercial people. Do you understand why this is hypocritical and sell out behavior? You guys try to butt kiss TPWD and academia in hopes they will not take your rights away. You act like you are doing it for the good of the turtles. Well it's not good for the turtles. They are not being bred in captivity. Thus no safety net. Ask all the box, map and mud turtle folks how they feel now that their rights have been taken away. Pretend the ban was gray-bands instead of turtles and tell me how you feel? Do you understand?

HCU’s alterior movtives are to “pretend” that your members do not sell wild caught herps by putting that statement in your Constitution. This was done in hopes of appeasing TPWD to get the road ban over turned so you can collect gray-bands. That is just fact. Do you understand?

I have never said you were seeking legislation for anything. You are just to blinded by your mixed up agenda to understand what I am saying. You will never see or admit your short comings because all you care about is getting the road ban over turned. You do not care how that effects the industry, herp businesses and hobbyists who do not support your positions. As evidenced by your Constitution and your support of the White and Black List regulation. Do you understand?

There is no use arguing with either you or Brad because you will never see reality because all you care about is getting the road ban over turned. That is why you guys formed HCU in the first place. As soon as you get the road ban over turned HCU “will fizzle out like a bad fart” (borrowed from Sam Kinson).

Do you, now, understand what I have been saying? Not do you agree with what I said but do you understand what I said?

Welkerii

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